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I didn’t back Coronet yesterday and had expressed my concerns regarding the Oaks, because the Zetland Stakes she won last season usually throws up dour stayers.
They probably picked the wrong race for her by coming to the Saint-Alary and certainly, as a spacing for the Epsom Oaks, it was far from ideal.
Gosden has at least two better fillies in my opinion and I think Coronet will go to the Ribblesdale.
I am not that chuffed with Gosden myself. He gave every indication that Shutter Speed was an Oaks filly. He had declared her his best middle distance filly this season and there was never any indication that there were stamina concerns. The next thing we know Teddy Grim is on the Noah and Nelly making it sound like Shutter Speed is Lochsong and has stamina doubts. My 16/1 tickets are starting to look dead meat despite Shutter Speed sitting 4/9 for the Musidora.
That begs the question of why Shutter Speed didn’t go the Saint-Alary and Prix Diane route instead of the optical illusion of Musidora/Oaks ?
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Think Shutter Speed might still run but they are probably getting their excuses ready in case they need to pull her out.
Given they’ve already got a very solid contender in Enable, if Shutter Speed isn’t hugely impressive in the Musidora they will most likely aim her elsewhere. I agree it sucks just your bad luck that they’ve got another one in the yard who’s in the same ownership who’s also very good and a more certain stayer.
I didn’t back Coronet yesterday and had expressed my concerns regarding the Oaks, because the Zetland Stakes she won last season usually throws up dour stayers.
They probably picked the wrong race for her by coming to the Saint-Alary and certainly, as a spacing for the Epsom Oaks, it was far from ideal.
Gosden has at least two better fillies in my opinion and I think Coronet will go to the Ribblesdale.
I am not that chuffed with Gosden myself. He gave every indication that Shutter Speed was an Oaks filly. He had declared her his best middle distance filly this season and there was never any indication that there were stamina concerns. The next thing we know Teddy Grim is on the Noah and Nelly making it sound like Shutter Speed is Lochsong and has stamina doubts. My 16/1 tickets are starting to look dead meat despite Shutter Speed sitting 4/9 for the Musidora.
That begs the question of why Shutter Speed didn’t go the Saint-Alary and Prix Diane route instead of the optical illusion of Musidora/Oaks ?
I did try and warn you earlier in the season Steve that Gosden can’t be trusted. Says one thing and means another
Looking at the Musidora, anything other than a convincing win for Shutter Speed would surely be seen as a disappointment given the lack of opposition.
4/11 with Bet365 and I’m not convinced we’re going to learn anything.
Saint-Alary winner Sobetsu will not go to Epsom. She is headed to the Prix Diane in search of some cut in the ground.
Regarding Shutter Speed, Lord Grim said:-
Lord Grimthorpe, racing manager to her owner Prince Khalid, said: “Shutter Speed has come on very well since her Newbury run. It’s probably going to turn out to be a pretty decent race – we were delighted that Enable came out and won the Cheshire Oaks last Wednesday, which franks the form a little bit.
“Shutter Speed herself has been in great shape and we’re really looking forward to running her at York. The main thing for us is for her to have a good race and get into a good rhythm.
“York will be a good test for her and hopefully will provide us with a good indication of where she should go. She has the option of the Oaks at Epsom and the Prix de Diane as well.
“Enable will go to the Oaks, all being well. But if we thought it was the right thing for Shutter Speed to go, we would still go with her. Her pedigree suggests that a mile and a quarter could be her best trip but we’ll see.”
I agree with Charles, in that the tiny field for the Musidora is unlikely to teach us anything regarding Shutter Speed’s stamina. The only possible way to glean any information would be for the jockey to push her right out and try to slaughter the field but that seems nigh on impossible to picture. It will probably be a muddling affair at a slow pace and nothing will emerge.
Gosden has said the filly loved the better ground last time, so I fail to see the point in going to France and taking on Sobetsu et al on a potential bog but nevermind, higher brains than mine will be making the call.
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ps Who has Sobetsu at the shortest prices 8/1 for the Oaks when she isn’t going to be running. You’ve guessed it, it’s those two daring fellows Stan and James
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Well Teddy Grim said they might still go to the Oaks with Shutter Speed but you can burn your tickets as I will be burning mine shortly.
John Gosden has said 10F is as far as Shutter Speed wants to be going for now. Game over it seems.
Whatever happened to actually running in the Classic and finding out that way, rather than wave the white flag and retreat with your tail between your legs?
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In theory Shutter speed should win easily but I would be very concered about taking these kind of silly odds for the Musidora given how well Icespire finished off last time after a strange ride
Hearing quotes from connections I’m of the opinion that Shutter Speed is more likely to head to France than Epsom unless she absolutely bolts up and strides powerfully clear in the Musidora; however, given that I already have a few quid lying on Rhododendron for the Oaks I’d be lying if I said I want that to happen.
Hearing quotes from connections I’m of the opinion that Shutter Speed is more likely to head to France than Epsom unless she absolutely bolts up and strides powerfully clear in the Musidora; however, given that I already have a few quid lying on Rhododendron for the Oaks I’d be lying if I said I want that to happen.
Ha ha! As one with an AP ticket for Epsom I’m hoping for the opposite! It looks a very disappointing Musidora and I agree with SC, what are we likely to learn? Really hoping that she strides out well to the line and they change their minds. Those French races are so often farcical – I’m sure they would rather take the Epsom route especially as they potentially have Icespire for France.
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My two antepost oaks bets look unlikely to even run now:
Shutter Speed and Gracious DianaShutter Speed may miss the Musidora due to forecast rain.
That would leave a disgraceful field for such a prestigious race.
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Call me stupid but surely if SS is unlikely to run tomorrow she is also unlikely to run in France if it gets too soft, as it is want to do.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
With the ground unlikely going to be good, I’d fancy Jim Bolger’s Vocalised Marina for the Musidora
Call me stupid but surely if SS is unlikely to run tomorrow she is also unlikely to run in France if it gets too soft, as it is want to do.
I said the same earlier in the thread Joni. Shutter Speed is more likely to get her ground at Epsom. Minding went into last year’s Oaks with stamina concerns but hosed up despite a brain fart moment from the jockey.
Golden Horn was another who didn’t have a cat in hell’s chance according to the breeding but he went out there and took the field apart.
Shutter Speed started off at a mile at 2yo and won on the soft ground. Not many can do that without being decent staying prospects.
If you watch her Yarmouth debut here:- http://www.attheraces.com/atrplayer-replay-popup/VOD/964290
You will see that, as they go through the winning line and carry on, Frankie is nearly having his arms pulled out trying to control Shutter Speed and bring her to a halt.
God knows, as punters we study and try to forecast future outcomes but are sometimes frustrated as stable politics and owners preferences mean that horses head in other directions. Instead of being positive and hopeful, connections are negative and pessimistic. Nobody wants Clive Brittain levels of Walter Mitty thinking but this constant hand wringing about pedigrees/going/tracks etc not being suitable, gets on my tits.
The Classics are what they are, we know the distances well in advance and we know the layout of the course. The going is what it is on the day. If you don’t like it don’t run but remember it’s the only chance you get in a lifetime to win that Classic, with the horse in question.
I think it is a sad day that these good trials and the Classics themselves are often shunned, leaving meaningless trials and disappointing fields for what should be the cream of horses clashing to find a champion.
It’s all about cash. Just like the tawdry Olympic Games is now.
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