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The godolphin team have a group hug after the fillies mile: https://youtu.be/VjEq-r2agqc
Wasn’t expecting such an easy victory. I’d take 10/1 for the guineas as if it come up good on guineas day she will take all the beating. The moyglare once again looks a red hot race and it will be interesting to intricately runs in the breeders cup. just amazing from aiden and the coolmores money piied on both horses probably at 5sand 4s. Really points to Churchill doing the double as last year or will the likes of south seas give him a race. Btw was it just me or did Ryan Moore seem to be limping slightly after the race. Il sure the race wasn’t very taxing.
I certainly wouldn’t lay 10/1 Rhododendron, seems fairly priced. Althouh possibly better value for the Oaks given breeding, relaxed run style and liklihood of firmish ground?
Value Is EverythingThat was pathetic.
Knew my fate this morning really, backed this awful slow three legged Sobetsu too early. Knew that Rhodederon was the best of the O’Brien two.
What I’ve learnt of late is that godolphin horses are overbet and overhyped, they are bet as if they are as good as the coolmore battalions but the evidence doesn’t point in that direction. Will be giving all their horses a miss in future.
Well done botchy.
I feel sick.
I wouldn’t say Godolphin horses are over-hyped or over-bet, Judge. Do wish I’d seen the maiden Sobetsu won (her action) and also known the winning time of the first race today. Action is usually not condusive to firm ground and just didn’t give her running today. Price did not take that in to account until on course betting started/ went to post – drifted.
What I do think is a problem with Godolphin – and not doing their Classic/3 year old prospects any good – is over-racing them. Although I’ve backed Blue Point tomorrow because is imo over-priced, could easily set his prospects back to have two Group 1 runs in double-quick time. Am surprised they’re running, may e they want to see if he stays 7f to know whether it is worth training for the 2000. Have also seen a lot of their best two year olds running too often for their own good. Grecian Light today has had three runs in the space of a month and finished last. Think I’ll need to take that in to consideration more in future. Suspect it’s something more to do with Sheikh Mo than his trainers – wanting runners in the best races.
Value Is EverythingAlways chancy in these races for young, inexperienced horses, even with 3-y-olds at times. They can have shown any amount of improvement at home or gone backward. Market told a big story today.
Aidan in blistering form and it’ll be a brave man who opposes Churchill
That was pathetic.
Knew my fate this morning really, backed this awful slow three legged Sobetsu too early. Knew that Rhodederon was the best of the O’Brien two.
What I’ve learnt of late is that godolphin horses are overbet and overhyped, they are bet as if they are as good as the coolmore battalions but the evidence doesn’t point in that direction. Will be giving all their horses a miss in future.
Well done botchy.
I feel sick.
I wouldn’t say Godolphin horses are over-hyped or over-bet, Judge. Do wish I’d seen the maiden Sobetsu won (her action) and also known the winning time of the first race today. Action is usually not condusive to firm ground and just didn’t give her running today. Price did not take that in to account until on course betting started/ went to post – drifted.
What I do think is a problem with Godolphin – and not doing their Classic/3 year old prospects any good – is over-racing them. Although I’ve backed Blue Point tomorrow because is imo over-priced, could easily set his prospects back to have two Group 1 runs in double-quick time. Am surprised they’re running, may e they want to see if he stays 7f to know whether it is worth training for the 2000. Have also seen a lot of their best two year olds running too often for their own good. Grecian Light today has had three runs in the space of a month and finished last. Think I’ll need to take that in to consideration more in future. Suspect it’s something more to do with Sheikh Mo than his trainers – wanting runners in the best races.
Yes but Coolmore also race their horses a lot.
My point is that Sobetsu was priced up like she was at least the equivalent of the coolmore fillies. Regardless of the ground, she was hammered today which suggests the coolmore fillies are in a totally different league to her.
We see it time and time again. We saw it last year with Emotionless. The godolphin ones get overhyped because the public falls in love with the bright blue silks and the amount of media attention they generally get. Emotionless was supposed to be the next big thing. Didn’t happen. As a punter you should be looking to oppose the godolphin horses, particularly in the big races, and get with the coolmore lot. Don’t even think about it, don’t overanalyse it. If I’ve learnt one thing as a punter, it’s that.
I have a ripped up ticket on Rhododendron for next year’s 1,000 Guineas. I think she has gone backwards since Goodwood.
Hope you didn’t actually rip that ticket up Stilvi.
Well done to Rhod backers.
Late money told. Sobetsu showed a rounded action to post and drifted in the betting. Never looked happy on firm ground (it’s firmer than the official). Spatial pulled too hard in front. Rich Legacy also below form. That said, Rhododendron won so impressively it’s highly unlikely any of them would’ve beaten the winner. Very well backed on course. Now her best couple of starts have both been on a firmish surface and for that reason connections probably knew there’d be improvement.
Rhod’s 1000 G chance may well depend on the going.
Sorry, couldn’t have pulling as the excuse for Spatial. When you get 6/1 about a 7/2 chance alarm bells should be ringing. People knew she was going to run like a drain.
Ground looks key for the winner. Good to see any previous wayward tendencies were not apparent today. She is back in the mix.
Yes but Coolmore also race their horses a lot.
My point is that Sobetsu was priced up like she was at least the equivalent of the coolmore fillies. Regardless of the ground, she was hammered today which suggests the coolmore fillies are in a totally different league to her.
We see it time and time again. We saw it last year with Emotionless. The godolphin ones get overhyped because the public falls in love with the bright blue silks and the amount of media attention they generally get. Emotionless was supposed to be the next big thing. Didn’t happen. As a punter you should be looking to oppose the godolphin horses, particularly in the big races, and get with the coolmore lot. Don’t even think about it, don’t overanalyse it. If I’ve learnt one thing as a punter, it’s that.
Coolmore race their two year olds regularly, but with a fairer amount of time between races compared to Godolphin imo.
Rhododendron would’ve been shorter in the Early Odds markets had she not run disappointingly last time. Sobetsu had run really well last time and had potential to improve again, albeit that form was not as strong as Rhod.
Emotionless came in to the race with an impressive Champagne Stakes to his name. But what seems to be forgotten is he was injured in the Dewhurst. After such an injury a lot of horses – whoever they’re trained/owned by – do not recover their form let alone improve.
Coolmore winner himself has had his problems since the Dewhurst, been unable to reproduce the form and retired.
That said, Godolphin horses do seem to get injured more often than others. Racing pal of mine has a friend who used to work in a Godolphin stable. He says they are almost raced against each other at home to find out who’s best, regime is too hard on the horses and it’s effectively Sheikh Mo who “trains” them.
Value Is EverythingYeah I also think Coolmore’s dominance is largely down to Galileo’s success as a sire.
The godolphin horses just don’t have the same kind of quality as the Galileo’s for me. Galileo had it all, an ability to travel and an ability to quicken; a very athletic and powerful horse, he had it all really, and translates that to his stock.
Godolphin have suffered as a result of ignoring Galileo and combined with the poor training techniques you have pointed out, add up to disaster for Sheikh mo and his team, particularly in big races. What you say about Sheikh mo training his horses doesn’t particularly surprise me. Completely daft of course.
Will be interesting to see how Wuheida gets on in the big races next year, I think she retains bundles of potential, but you can’t hold out much hope with their past record.
Godolphin have suffered as a result of ignoring Galileo and combined with the poor training techniques you have pointed out, add up to disaster for Sheikh mo and his team, particularly in big races. What you say about Sheikh mo training his horses doesn’t particularly surprise me. Completely daft of course.
Biggest mistake Sheikh Mohammed ever made was parting ways with Cecil; he would have fared far better with his horses under that great trainer’s tutelage. Bin Suroor did well for a while, of course, but it’s been steadily downhill for His Highness ever since the big split.
Godolphin need to swallow their pride and buy some Galileos or they could face a long time on the sidelines. Ballydoyle has an embarrassment of riches and with the like of Idaho and us army ranger to race as four year olds I can’t see where they are going to challenge. Their horses never seem to go on from their first couple of races. Whether it’s the quality or the training I don’t know but too many very well bred Godolphin’s end up at Chelmsford and Wolverhampton. Coolmores stock seem much hardier and cope with a lot of racing as found and highland reel showed in the arc. And yes their biggest mistake was jettisoning sir Henry. His highness seems to be in total control and unless he lets others run it things will not change anytime soon.
Yeah I also think Coolmore’s dominance is largely down to Galileo’s success as a sire.
The godolphin horses just don’t have the same kind of quality as the Galileo’s for me. Galileo had it all, an ability to travel and an ability to quicken; a very athletic and powerful horse, he had it all really, and translates that to his stock.
Godolphin have suffered as a result of ignoring Galileo and combined with the poor training techniques you have pointed out, add up to disaster for Sheikh mo and his team, particularly in big races. What you say about Sheikh mo training his horses doesn’t particularly surprise me. Completely daft of course.
Will be interesting to see how Wuheida gets on in the big races next year, I think she retains bundles of potential, but you can’t hold out much hope with their past record.
Not just down to Galileo, before him was Sadler’s Wells dominant, with a little late competion from Danehill and it all hails back to the O’Brien before the current (IMO), with his backers and Northern Dancer’s dominance on the breed.
Best Wishes
SilkWith Godolphin – the early years… Wonder what the horses had when over-wintering in Dubai?
Value Is EverythingBiggest mistake Sheikh Mohammed ever made was parting ways with Cecil; he would have fared far better with his horses under that great trainer’s tutelage. Bin Suroor did well for a while, of course, but it’s been steadily downhill for His Highness ever since the big split.
You are so right and i often think of Diminuendo, Oh So Sharp, Indian Skimmer and those fantastic days until he pulled out
from the great man.Those were the days.
Oh So Sharp enabled me to purchase my first Timeform book and never looked back.
Value Is EverythingRegarding tomorrow’s race, I think if anything is going to upset the Churchill apple cart it will be seven heavens. it has that feel about it, with all the attention on Frankel in his first season as a sire.
In fact if you look at his Ascot win, then he travelled very well there, very much like Frankel used to. If he travels like that in the Dewhurst he’ll be a back to lay in running if nothing else, especially if Churchill puts up one his tardy in-running displays.
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