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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I haven’t read anything, away for a few days.
    I’m guessing he is still going to be with Cox….?

    Charles Darwin to conquer the World

    #1302961
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    Yes, they confirmed that!

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Thanks Hein, I’ve managed to catch up with some of the news now
    a relief that he’ll be staying with Cox, I know a high percentage of the horses bought tend stay but there is always one or two that get taken away.

    Charles Darwin to conquer the World

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    Well that’s two horses running under the godawful banner so you can put a line through both now :mail:

    caravaggio looking like more of a cert by the minute ;-)

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    Yes Nathan, I’m happy for you, as Godolphin and Cox really reads an unusual combo.
    I wish Harry all the best and I think he has a very good chance here.
    I just don’t bet here, as I must save my sprinting money for Marsha..

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    Mrs Danvers is out of the race. She will not run until at least July.

    The trainer has said he is mystified as to why she isn’t coming to hand.

    Has he ever thought that she just might not have trained on?

    Let’s look at the evidence. A small, precocious filly. Makes hay at 2 years of age and then can’t progress at 3 years old. It’s a classic problem for horses of that type. Other horses grow and progress past those who beat them the previous season.

    In the absence of any explanation following exhaustive investigation, it seems the most likely, and very obvious, view to take on the situation. We just may not see her again this year. She is the polar opposite to Harry Angel, who needed to improve this season and has clearly done so. If you make hay at 2yo, the barn can be empty by season 2.

    There is still 20/1 on Fas and that must be the value.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    I found a better video of Fas’s Prix Sigy win. The previous one was from a poor angle.

    In this new video you get a better view of how well he travels and how he absolutely smashed his field.

    Caravaggio was impressive in his seasonal debut but beat very little really. Nothing from that race has run since.

    Looking at Fas, he travelled sweetly from the start and held a prominent position easily. When the jockey asks him, he settles it readily and he scoots away in the finish. It was the French 1000 Guineas winner that he left in his wake, not some listed class dross.

    The Racing Post preview for the race does not even discuss anything outside of the first three in the betting. This was the same brains trust that suggested Crystal Ocean being a great bet for the Derby at 12/1.

    Anyway, I think that Fas is criminally underestimated at 20/1, based on the style of his Prix Sigy win. He is to the left of the field wearing brown silks and a red cap and he has a white star on his forehead.

    http://www.france-sire.com/videocourse.php?idCourse=78571

    Bad horses don’t win races in that fashion. One of the big three will probably disappoint on the day and Fas doesn’t have to find much if they all run to form anyway. I’ll have an each-way play.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Must be slightly concerning for those intending to lump on O’Brien’s hotpots later in the week given how flat his runners ran today. The first omens of the meeting rather point towards blue point and away from Caravaggio, however I’ll probably keep the faith in the coolmore horse. :good:

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    Must be slightly concerning for those intending to lump on O’Brien’s hotpots later in the week given how flat his runners ran today. The first omens of the meeting rather point towards blue point and away from Caravaggio, however I’ll probably keep the faith in the coolmore horse. :good:

    The two to run since from Caravaggio’s Group 3 Lacken Stakes win, Psychedelic Funk and Gorane, were both pretty crap next time. Psychedelic Funk went down more than five lengths in a Group 3 and Gorane was 7th in a 10 runner listed race. Go Kart, who was 2nd in Gorane’s race came in rated 86.

    Gorane’s best rating was based on a Listed race where he was runner up to Khukri. He went up from 84 to 100 that day and I said at the time I was highly sceptical because the horse I backed that time, Psychedelic Funk himself, had a stinker and ran to a RPR of 66. The Handicapper clearly bought into the notion that the 3rd horse Intelligence Cross had run to something like his rating but looking at that Listed race since, there have been 20 runs, 1 winner, 3 placed and 16 unplaced. The only winner from the race was in a Hamilton Maiden on gutters.

    Caravaggio stormed home that night but he beat trees in all reality. Caravaggio also actually has little experience of really fast ground. His win on that surface came when he was 1/8 Fav and it was his least impressive for me.

    This is way, way tougher than Caravaggio’s last race. It’s being touted as a three runner affair but Wesley Ward’s horse Bound For Nowhere is now being backed and the French raider Fas has beaten a group 1 winning filly hollow in his prep for this.

    Caravaggio is still odds-on in places and it’s a suicide bet at those odds in my opinion. Declarationofpeace was very heavily backed into a ridiculous 13/8 in the Windsor Castle but it didn’t help him, as he was stone bonking last.

    When you consider that Ribchester was 11/10 today and came in against a pretty limited bunch, it makes no sense to me.

    It’s a braver man than me that takes Caravaggio at odds-on.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    One of the best races of this year’s Royal Ascot. May be 12 runners, but the quality of some makes it a 4 runner race for me. Normally that would make it mathematically an exceptional each way race to invest in. However, am disappointed (though not surprised) Harry Angel is not availale at an each way price, odds on fav Caravaggio should at least be in the first three) and I think it’s a toss up between the other two who’ll place. Race to savour but am sitting it out for the time being.

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    Yep, cracking race and I was tempted by Caravaggio but he’s a shade of odds on and that’s just too short for me on this horse up against such class. I’ve gone for Blue Point each-way at 6/1. He broke the course record on his last start and I’m sure connections have been priming him for this ever since. Harry has a pull in the weights but that doesn’t guarantee a turnaround in form, impressive as he was at Haydock.

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    What a race. Can’t wait to see what happens!!!
    No matter who wins I just hope they all run to their best!

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    Any news on Blue Point since he beat Harry Angel? I assume Charlie is very happy with him at home and didn’t feel the need to get another race into him.

    Caravaggio at odds on is a dangerous bet but I don’t think any of us really know what to expect tomorrow. Blue Point is 5/2 without Caravaggio and Harry Angel 6/4.
    Leaning towards the 5/2 for BP at this moment in time.

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    Any news on Blue Point since he beat Harry Angel? I assume Charlie is very happy with him at home and didn’t feel the need to get another race into him.

    Caravaggio at odds on is a dangerous bet but I don’t think any of us really know what to expect tomorrow. Blue Point is 5/2 without Caravaggio and Harry Angel 6/4.
    Leaning towards the 5/2 for BP at this moment in time.

    Yeah, I think I will get on this as well

    #1305723
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    Caravaggio @ 5’s,9-2 @ 7-2

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    Any news on Blue Point since he beat Harry Angel? I assume Charlie is very happy with him at home and didn’t feel the need to get another race into him.

    Caravaggio at odds on is a dangerous bet but I don’t think any of us really know what to expect tomorrow. Blue Point is 5/2 without Caravaggio and Harry Angel 6/4.
    Leaning towards the 5/2 for BP at this moment in time.

    The original plan was that Blue Point would not run until the Sandy Lane. However, he came to hand quicker than that and they ran him earlier. After his win they said that he would come straight here, as they did not need to get another run into him.

    In view of the week Godolphin and Charlie Appleby have had, it may be interesting that Charlie Appleby said coming into the week that Blue Point is the fastest horse in the yard and that he felt the colt was his best chance of having a winner this week. The colt is consistent but has never captured the imagination of the public. Perhaps some just don’t forgive the The Last Lion affair.

    Blue Point seems a sound each way at 6/1.

    I am on him at 9/1 and with Fas not turning up he’s my sole bet. My sole concern is if Blue Point may be a horse who needs finessed to the line. That was my one concern after The Last Lion caused a 25/1 boil over in the Middle Park.

    A special note for Gold Cup fans here. You may want to record this race and play it back at half speed in order to get that true Gold Cup experience. There will not be the same opportunity to make a cup of tea and heat a pastie before the race gets interesting. ;-)

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Cracking race

    Love Caravaggio. Absolutely love the horse

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