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For me you’ll be laying whether or not he falls.. When he gets his jumping right he’s an absolute stag.. Considering he went off even money for the champion chase last year on the basis of a win in the tingle creek and basic potential, 7/4 isn’t a bad price (admittedly this is a stronger race than the CC last year) on what he’s achieved this year.
Reet, not sure where you get L’Ami being an out and out stayer from.. He’s a very good 3m chaser in my book.
Well was last years gold cup any good?? Why should this one be any better??r
War of attention, who doesnt win that many races but jumps and stays quite well wins from Hedgehunter. Is the latter a classy Grade 1, 3 mile chaser? They open up a big gap to Forget the Past who was a nonstayer and lami, who we wont surely be ever calling a top 3 mile chaser either..or are we?
IMO, and without wishing to start any debates on Beef Or Salmon, he is essentially still wining and competeing well in races in Ireland despite getting older, is partly because there are not too many genuine soft ground tolerating grade 1 horses around and the gold cup shows us that the situation might be worse for good ground grade 1 horses. T
This gold cup should be between KS and WOA simply because the rest are good handicappers at best. Perhaps we can add In Compliance to the list but we have to wait and see if he stays…a comment that applys to the favourite but at least the evidence looks stronger.
This is no golden era, thats for sure.
SHL
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This thread is about the Cheltenham Gold Cup, and its possible winners.<br>How on Earth did Beef or Salmon get onto it?:biggrin: :biggrin:
"Well was last years gold cup any good?? Why should this one be any better??"
Ay? Whats your point? Not sure I follow.
I also think (as with many other people) your dismissing exotic dancer too easily. Personally I think if anything will beat Kauto Star it will be him. He’s proved he’s more than just a good handicapper. Or are there only three horses in training that aren’t (KS, Well Chief and Beefy!!)<br>
Quote: from reet hard on 3:50 pm on Feb. 14, 2007[br]This thread is about the Cheltenham Gold Cup, and its possible winners.<br>How on Earth did Beef or Salmon get onto it?:biggrin: :biggrin:
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Quote: from Aragorn on 3:54 pm on Feb. 14, 2007[br]"Well was last years gold cup any good??  Why should this one be any better??"
Ay? Whats your point? Not sure I follow.
I also think (as with many other people) your dismissing exotic dancer too easily. Personally I think if anything will beat Kauto Star it will be him. He’s proved he’s more than just a good handicapper. Or are there only three horses in training that aren’t (KS, Well Chief and Beefy!!)
My point is that your assessement that this race would be better than last years Champion chase might not be true. Could many of these shoulder top weight in handicaps? I doubth it seriously and I think once Kauto star stays and jumps, he wouldnt have to be a wonder horse (which im still not convinced he is) to win it.
Not this time Reet :) :)
SHL
Harry,
Are you seriously telling me that last years champion chase was stronger than this years gold cup?! :o Come on.. ;)
Quote: from Aragorn on 4:07 pm on Feb. 14, 2007[br]Harry,
Are you seriously telling me that last years champion chase was stronger than this years gold cup?! :o Come on.. ;)
No…I think they might be almost equally poor
SHL
to me, last years gold cup seemed like a feild of goodish handicappers racing at levels. come on, beef or salmon was favourite!!!!<br>although i agree the champion chase was poor 2.
Harry, with the highest rated chaser since dessie in the field, a ten time G1 winner, last years GC winner, the winner of the paddy power, boylesports and cotswold chase, the enigmatic Our Vic, a potentially top class horse In compliance plus a load of ther usual suspects I personally think it’s the best GC in about five years. Obviously they have to turn up but i’m surprised you think that.
Have a look at the field in last years CC. The class horse was a 12 year old past his best. Mister McGoldrick finished third!!!!
Quote: from dave 22 on 4:55 pm on Feb. 14, 2007[br]to me, last years gold cup seemed like a feild of goodish handicappers racing at levels. come on, beef or salmon was favourite!!!!<br>although i agree the champion chase was poor 2.<br>
Are you suggesting WOA to be a goodish handicapper? Given his conditions, he is a top class chaser IMO.
JohnJ.
Im not disagreeing about last years champion chasers.
But of those horses you mentioned…we have one who might not stay. Our Vic and BOS have run mostly terrible festival races and more likely not to give you a run for your money. Is Our Vic even going to run? Ill concede on Exotic dancer mostly because of his King George run.
SHL
From this year’s performances, last year’s Gold Cup has been made to look very average. I certainly don’t expect either of last year’s placed horses to be in the frame this year.
Hills go 7/4 Kauto wins and the same price (from 5/2) it fails to complete. Not sure about the ethics of the bet!
DJ,
As a matter of interest, who would you expect to fill the places, and I am presuming you’ll have KS as the winner.
JohnJ.
Grassy,
I can’t see Exotic Dancer going for the GC, I’d say he’ll be running the Ryanair….
JohnJ.
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