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    Avatar photoMDeering
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    f)The "got at" theory (horse racing authorities hate this one – after Gorytus went down in the 1982 Dewhurst, the last reason explicitly discussed was the possibility of nobbling even though Dick Hern knew for certain that his wonder 2-y-o was got at).

    Could one be able to explain this theory in Layman’s terms?

    #167463
    Zorro
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    Gorytus was stopped, M.Deering. ie.doped to lose.

    #167483
    Seventy Four
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    Well yet another big reputation blown to smithereens in what looked (on paper at least) as if it should have been a cakewalk for Big Brown.

    However, might there not be one very simple explanation for his defeat, hard as it may be for connections to stomach – that he is simply not as good as they thought ? :shock: :roll:

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    Gareth Flynn
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    They gave him steroids in the lead up to the Derby and the Preakness.

    His last injection was mid-April.

    #167522
    clivex
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    One injection of whatever it is, would really make that much difference?

    Im not at all sure about that

    Of course "hes as good" as was thought. By no stretch of the imagination was that a true running

    #167784
    lavaman
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    Nice to see the trainer blaming Kent Desormeaux BB,s jockey for the defeat,a bit harsh i feel.The jockey is one of the greats in American racing.
    That horse did,nt look an easy ride at all saturday,he was pulling like a freight train,did,nt seem to settle andi think it was the cracked heel that was his downfall plus th fact the Belmont stakes is a tough tough race to win.
    Curlin will pulverise him though when/if the meet, i doubt the Suffolk downs matchrace ill take place now.Secretariat and Affirmed are simply frightning examples of the true triple crown horses!! There like may never be seen again.Street sense did,nt win the triple crown and i think he was a much better horse than Big Brown.

    The one horse i,d have put money on to do the triple crown was Barbaro RIP.

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    There is a couple of wonderful articles in the Blood Horse on Big Brown today(June10).

    #167799
    nefertiti
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    Thanks, andy, for recommending those articles. Excellent journalism – lots of food for thought. Interesting stuff about the training regime suited to Belmont success – needs a very hardy horse I’d say.

    Pretty obviously Big Brown didn’t get his best possible placing though – would he have been last if Desormeaux hadn’t pulled him up? Any enquiry into this?

    #167813
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    There was an amateur article written in today’s Herald Sun where Adrian Dunn slammed American racing as a whole over the Big Brown debacle.

    Why we should be so tied up over 3YOs racing in the first half of the season beats me. This day in age, no horse should be prepared for the Triple Crown with the horse’s wellbeing and long term goals in mind.

    #167837
    indocine
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    Why we should be so tied up over 3YOs racing in the first half of the season beats me.

    Says it all.

    Triple crowns, like beaujolais nouveau, weak immature early season piss marketed as something worth spending your time and money on. :)

    #167870
    andyod
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    both Big Brown and Curling look like Barry Bond ie steroid freaks. The trainers of both have a long history of using drugs. The owners of both are shady characters.One group in court the other group in trouble with the stock market.Neither Godolfin nor Coolmore bought into them.Read between the lines and believe what those horses look like.The difference in appearances between them and the normal horses has to be seen to be believed,and can be.

    #167880
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    Its called history and tradition.

    If you didn’t feel a sense of anticipation and excitement at history about to be made on Saturday night then you are not racing fans.

    If you cannot marvel in the exploits of Secretariat and Citation, and dream that one day their exploits are equalled, then you may as well give up now.

    I agree, I was even tempted to fly over to America to witness it, just as well know I didn’t 8)

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    andyod
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    All I can say is it is a good thing that Kieren Fallon was not riding Big Brown or we would never hear the end of it.

    #168058
    pengamon
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    I last saw Big Brown in the flesh when he broke his maiden at Saratoga on Labor Day and I next saw him early on Friday morning at Belmont. I was with a great friend of Larry Jones-who said that she thought that he didn’t look in the same condition that she’d seen him in the days leading up to the Derby and the Preakness.

    Well the 4th time in recent years that the Triple Crown hasn’t been won either on my Brithday, or the day before or after….

    But at least a horse that I have a 3% share in came 3rd in a $15,000 Claimer on Friday…. so the trip was worth it for that :)

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    Have just seen Big Brown struggle home in the Haskell- took him a long time to get on top of the longshot pacemaker Coal Play. The pundits are talking it up, but he looked a shadow of the horse that won the first 2 legs of the Triple Crown. May well have needed the run, but wouldn’t frighten anything from taking him on in the Breeder’s Cup on that evidence.

    #175987
    andyod
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    Interesting observation by Frank(i believe it is)Lyons. When running on his left lead the horse was very tentative and timid. When he finally changed to his right lead,after lugging out,(away from his left foot) he ran to the wire.Still a problem with the left front foot?

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    Venusian
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    Can someone please explain to me how an invitational race gets to qualify as a Group 1?

    Surely if entries are restricted in this way then it can’t be a group race, in a similar way to sales races in this country not receiving group status.

    And how come Big Brown was carrying a 4lb penalty if the race is a G1?

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