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- April 11, 2016 at 00:13 #1242016
With the dust just about settled on this years renewal, it’s the perfect time to get a new thread up and running for next years race.
The complexion of the race has changed a bit in the last 12 months, first with Many Clouds carrying his big weight round last year, followed by the bottom weight getting in off of 145 this year. It very much looks as if connections will have to be very careful in their preps for the race, and the days of horses been given quiet campaigns over hurdles may now be behind us. That might not be a bad thing.
Opinions will be divided, but I’d bet good money that “win and you’re in” races will be introduced.
Anyway, that’s for discussion at a later date, time to look at a few contenders, and I’ll concentrate this opening post on horses who didn’t run in this years race.
The first one that springs to mind for me is The Young Master. A little surprised that he didn’t go this year, but maybe a blessing, considering the record of 7 year olds. He’ll surely be going here this time around, and he’ll have the assistance of Aintree “specialist” Sam Waley-Cohen. I thought he’d have won a fair prize this season, but after his early exit in The Hennessy, it never really materialised. He should have more to offer.
Two horses who caught the eye at this years meeting were Maggio, and Henri Parry Morgan. Maggio was very unlucky to miss out this time around, and he won on Saturday in fair style. A careful campaign should see him get there, and despite the fact he’d go there as a 12yo, I wouldn’t be writing him off, especially as he’ll act on any ground that he faces. Henri Parri Morgan was runner up to the very impressive Native River, who himself could be a contender, though there’s just the suspicion that the Tizzard inmate has a future outwith handicaps. There’s also the concern, that despite a few ideal candidates the last few years, the owners haven’t had many runners over the fences. Henri’s really caught the eye though, his last few runs, and from a yard that thrives at Aintree, I already have him down as a live contender, and I’ve had a few quid on at the 100’s, a massive price for him, even at this early stage.
The Scottish National, next weekend at Ayr, could throw up a few contenders for Aintree. They might not be the most obvious contenders for Aintree, but I’m a big fan of the Pipe pair, Amigo, and Top Wood. I think a typically good ground Aintree, would see them at their best, and big runs this weekend, should they take their chance of course, would bring them into the picture. I’ll also be keeping a close eye on their stablemate Doctor Harper next season, and will be interesting to see how they campaign him.
They’d have to work on his jumping a bit, but the Philip Hobbs trained Three Faces West, could come into the picture after Ayr. Owned by The Rooneys, who went so close with The Last Samuri, I’d imagine he’d be Aintree bound should he make the grade. The Rooneys clearly want to land The National, and they look the type of owners who’ll have no problem with multiple runners. The Rooneys also have Operating with Gordon Elliot, but he needs to step up quickly, after a long term injury, to even be considered. I’d love for Gordon Elliot to bring him back to his best, as he looked ideal National material a couple of years back.
Gordon Elliot also has Our Father, who’s not had his troubles to seek either, and if he could get him over his latest mishap, then something like The Galway Plate, would be an ideal stepping stone for a campaign geared towards Aintree. Cause of Causes, another Elliot horse, is also booked for Ayr, and he was the most high profile horse to miss out this year, and he’ll surely not face the same dilemma next season. He’s clearly earmarked for Aintree by connections, and a good run, should he take his chance at Ayr next week, will see that 40’s disappear. A serious contender.
As well as Cause of Causes, JP has a few other who could line up. His forgotten horse, Minella Foru is very decent, and god knows what they have in mind for him, but he’s one to keep in mind, as is recent Cheltenham winner, Minella Rocco, who, touch wood, looks to have put much of his jumping issues to bed.
No doubt a few other JP runners, particularly those based in Ireland, will emerge, but there’s a few in other ownership, who’ll want to keep the prize across The Irish Sea. Noble Endeavour looks perfect for this, as do Empire of Dirt, and recent Irish National winner, Rogue Angel, who both run in The Gigginstown colours.
With the Trainers title having an added dimension this year, then Willie Mullins will surely be looking give this race more attention. Gigginstown wouldn’t complain at getting another, and Mullins has a few of theirs he could send. I’d love to see him consider Measureofmydreams, and the current second favourite, Don Poli. Don Poli got an entry for both The National and The Becher this season, and no surprise to see him near the top of firms lists for 2017. I think WPM has an interesting contender in Pleasant Company, and I’ve got him in mind for Sandown at the end of the month. I think a few of the Wylie owned horses, like Black Hercules & Shaneshill might also get considered, despite having a plethora of other targets to consider.
Mullins rival for this years Trainers title, Paul Nicholls, doesn’t seem to have as many obvious contenders, though if in the mood, Benvolio could come to punters attention, as could Sam Winner, if he’s over whatever’s ailing him, and he also has Salubrious, who has a fair bit of potential.
That’ll do for now I think, and though it seems a long way off, no harm in taking a look.
I’ve had an early go then on Henri Parry Morgan at 100’s, and he’d be my main fancy, along with The Young Master (not quoted) and Cause of Causes at 40’s. Both Henri & Cause of Causes have also made my long term Ante-Post perms, which I always do after Aintree each year.
Happy enough with those 3 just now then, and that’ll surely do until The Autumn……………famous last words.
April 11, 2016 at 00:51 #1242017I think MANY CLOUDScould still return and win another national, if this event hasn’t mentally scared him, but conditions need to be dry before the big day, Oliver also has to put another year’s work.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.April 11, 2016 at 06:17 #1242019After all the talk this year of a back to back winner Many Clouds, something I never thought likely I could certainly see it happening next year with Rule The World if he gets there.
A similar small increase in weight to Many Clouds this year from Phil Smith would still see Rule The World several pounds better off in future with The Last Samuri and anything less than 12lbs would have him better off.
It will be interesting to see how much Smith puts him up.
April 11, 2016 at 09:45 #1242027Nothing like starting the ball rolling early Bobby, and another cracking
write up. After your National track record this year, I’ll be hanging on
to your coattails for next year
It goes without saying that, like yourself, I’ll be in for The Young Master. He
was costly for me this year but I think he has National written all over him.More getting my head into the Scottish version this week, good luck in that one too
April 11, 2016 at 10:48 #1242031I think that the Nicholls horse could be Vicente which ran well in the four miler at Cheltenham and I shall be keeping an eye on for Scotland.
Have to say that the win and you’re in theory looks likely to happen.
April 11, 2016 at 11:58 #1242033I hope you are wrong about Empire Of Dirt.
At the Festival he looked to have bags of pace and the fortuitous hold-up tactics seem to suit him as well. Neither would be great attributes stepping up a couple of miles. The winning margin certainly didn’t flatter him and I said on the Topham thread that he was well worth a crack at a Graded race and who knows maybe he could develop into a lively Ryanair outsider.
April 11, 2016 at 12:57 #1242035Great stuff, Bobby.
As the new conditions and fences sort themselves out, my three key rules will be:
1. Don’t back anything that has run in the race before
2. Anything with endless stamina, mark it up hugely
3. Look for something with class, no matter the weight (assuming it meets 1 and 2)
2017 will mark the 40th anniversary of the last ‘multiple winner’ – Red Rum (who was a freakish horse anyway)
The likelihood of anything repeating a win has probably diminished since the fences were adjusted through various phases to what they are now. Yes, they still catch the nervy, the unwary, and the accident-prone, but jumping prowess is much less important than it used to be.
Conversely, the easier fences have led to an overall faster pace, a trend that’s bound to continue, I think. This has a double-whammy effect: you need something that will stay all day (look at those who were in contention crossing the Melling Road for the last time and where they finished), but the effort needed to win, or even finish in the first 4 or 5, is almost certain to leave a mark on a horse for life. The depth of that mark will be different for each, but it is a sore, sore race to ever recover completely from – probably more mentally than physically.
As for those down the field, or not finishing, some might bounce back, some might hate it for ever, and I think the safest option is just to leave them alone.
So, find a classy, stamina-laden debutant….easy, ain’t it? Don Poli anyone?
April 11, 2016 at 14:33 #1242054Could be right there Joe. When PDR won in 2014 I told myself not to emphasise as much in the jumping department and to look for an out and out stayer, although I suppose I went against that this year with S Conti. Not sure about the class though as although nice horses I wouldn’t say 3 of the last 4 had bags of it.
Not sure about the multiple winner bit either. Don’t think it will be any easier or harder for a horse to do this. As you say you need a freak of nature to do this i.e. Red Rum and these don’t come along too often.
It looks like the debutants tag has some substantiation. Was Mon Mome the last to win who had previously run?
This year the maiden tag of RTW totally put me off him, although it looks like last September’s Kerry National (Heavy going) has worked out well with the 1st and 3rd winning the Irish and English Nationals.
April 11, 2016 at 14:37 #1242057Bobby, what about your old mate
Seeyouatmidnight…..???Charles Darwin to conquer the World
April 11, 2016 at 19:19 #1242096I think he’s 100% to get an entry Nathan, but I have serious reservations about him getting the trip, as I don’t think he sees out 3 miles. I’ll know a lot more on Saturday at Ayr, and if he proves me wrong it’ll be a “few quid a week job” lol.
April 11, 2016 at 19:23 #1242097He’s very much on my radar for something like The Ryanair as well Stilvi. I can’t remember where I read it, but it was said that his Topham entry, was with a view to a run in The National next year. He wouldn’t actually be getting my cash on him, but I really do think he’d see it out, and he looked full of running at the end of The Plate. They’ve got that many to choose from though, god knows who’ll go where.
April 11, 2016 at 19:28 #1242098Thanks Joe.
Been saying it for years about debutants. I don’t always stick to it (had a couple bet this year who had ran in it before), but when starting to pick my list, first criteria is a horse that’s never ran in it before.
April 11, 2016 at 19:30 #1242099Spot on Homer, with Pineau De Re the only other to have even seen the fences before, and he fell at the first in The Becher.
April 11, 2016 at 19:33 #1242100Darren asked me to start the thread G, so be rude not to haha.
Fingers crossed with TYM, let’s just hope that he gets there this time.
Dear god, don’t hang on to my coattails, I can give you a run down of my picks/bets since I was 6, and it does not make for good reading
I doubt I’ll ever have one like that again.April 11, 2016 at 19:37 #1242102Brilliant stuff as usual Bob.I have already backed Rogue Angel for next years race at 33/1 and after the brilliant bit of training from Mouse with ‘Rule the world’ I’m hoping he can do it again.
April 11, 2016 at 20:03 #1242104Thanks Gord

Was a wee bit gutted when Rogue Angel won at Fairyhouse, he was a regular “bet to lay” of mine 2, 3 seasons back, but he’s a much better horse now. He’ll certainly be able to lie up with the pace in The National, he looks a solid pick for you. Good luck with him
April 11, 2016 at 20:23 #1242105Thanks Gord

Was a wee bit gutted when Rogue Angel won at Fairyhouse, he was a regular “bet to lay” of mine 2, 3 seasons back, but he’s a much better horse now. He’ll certainly be able to lie up with the pace in The National, he looks a solid pick for you. Good luck with him

This is how stupid I am Bob,I was watching the Irish National ‘Live’ but with No volume on the Betfair website and being a Gigginstown fan was working out which one to back in running,they had about half a dozen runners…For some weird reason I got it in my head that Folsom blue had the Blue Cap on and I’m thinking he aint stopping as the horse in the Blue cap was making all,it was 16’s and 20’s with 5 fences to jump and I had a tenner on at the prices thinking he should be about 2/1 at best…Obviously I backed the wrong horse as it was Rogue angel

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