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Instead of reverting to name calling, Steve; please just stay calm, quote part of my post and tell me what exactly you object to and why. May be then we can sought this out.
Value Is EverythingWhat part of me not being interested in anything you have to say do you not understand?
There is nothing to “sought” sic out, there is nothing to sort out either. You have the personality disorder, not me.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Hmmmmm, if you say so, Steve.
Well I did try.
Anyone would think you want to feel hard done by.OK; can anyone else see what I said wrong in that post on the previous page?
Value Is EverythingHe’s just playing hard to get Ginge. 😉
Arrrrgggghhhhh!
I’m no good at flirting, Nausered.Value Is EverythingI never go onto Gingers thread to comment on his selections
You’re welcome to at any time, Steve; I welcome debate. The debate might go on for a while though. LOL
Value Is EverythingFor someone who wanted the thread focused on the topic, there hasn’t half been some distracting bullplop written.
Anyway, back on topic and Anodor, who beat Persian King when they made their debuts, landed the Group 3 Prix Des Chenes today. He set a modest looking pace before kicking two lengths clear and maintaining his advantage all the way to the line.
Anyone who feels these are 80 rated colts that we are looking at in Anodor and Persian King then good luck to them but when Andre Fabre thinks about supplementing a colt for the Royal Lodge and describes him as his best 2YO then good luck rating that horse 84.
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For someone who wanted the thread focused on the topic, there hasn’t half been some distracting bullplop written.
Stop writing it then.
Value Is EverythingHope you are counting on both sides Corm. Fair, fair and all that.
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Anyone who feels these are 80 rated colts that we are looking at in Anodor and Persian King then good luck to them but when Andre Fabre thinks about supplementing a colt for the Royal Lodge and describes him as his best 2YO then good luck rating that horse 84.
You’d be mad to think that, i would doubt anyone actually does even, the person who gave them their RPRs that you disagree with.
Unfortunately for him, he won’t rate the horse on what it looks like the horses can do in the future, just the actual performance.
Just because Fabre has said what he has said, should the RPR guy suddenly just go and fire out a inflated rating?
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!It’s the inconsistency though Jack. A maiden like Bruce Wayne gets rated 100 and raised 32 lbs to get there. There is no solidity to the form there either, it was just two horses who had met seven days before and there was nothing to frank the form in between. That’s a load of welly in my opinion without giving any due consideration for underperformances and potential underperformers on the day in the second race.
Nothing wrong with people wanting to believe it if they wish. We will all know in the future. I am just offering an alternative view that strays from the familiar path in search for an angle and to perhaps pinpoint bad ratings.
In rating some horses too low to begin with, assessors are faced with having to give a crazy raise to play catch up and it looks like a horse made one massive leap, when the truth was probably two more even sized improvements.
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It’s the inconsistency though Jack. A maiden like Bruce Wayne gets rated 100 and raised 32 lbs to get there. There is no solidity to the form there either, it was just two horses who had met seven days before and there was nothing to frank the form in between. That’s a load of welly in my opinion without giving any due consideration for underperformances and potential underperformers on the day in the second race.
As I explained: The “solidity” comes in the Round Tower third and fourth. You’re being unfair by arguing that ratings analysts should not have done something they actually did not do. LOL
Ratings analysts have given “due consideration for underperformers and potential underperformers”, the race is not rated on them… Nothing that happened behind the fourth placed horse had anything to do with Ten Sovereigns or Bruce Wayne’s rating.
Value Is EverythingThere’s a stuck record playing here and I have already stated that I am not listening.
Anyway, keeping on to matters that may actually assist readers, Freddy Head stated that Anodor is a horse with a a relaxed tempaerament and a very nice kick. You could see the horse increase his cadence to put the race to bed quickly and there was never any doubt on the result.
Freddy Head added that they may not run the colt again this season as they feel he will be much better as a 3YO and they don’t want to overrace him this year. All the same they may have a go at the Group 1 Prix Lagardere because that is the next logical step if they are going to race him again this season.
Paddy Power go 20/1 on Anodor for the 2000 Guineas.
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I liked him yesterday also steve, one shake and he kept upto his work and powered away, not that listed races are usually upto much in france but there was a couple of decent sorts in behind who couldnt go with him, id like to seenhim in the lagadere before i made my mind up, faultless nontheless though.
I agree with the Bruce Wayne part in the main, i did give a reasoning earlier in the thread as to why the rating is probably given, but in time i’d say he’ll even out again once more evidence is there. Unfortunately, finishing 3.5Ls behind a horse thats hyped as the second coming (regardless of the ease of win) is going to give a pretty big rating. Fantasy in behind helps inflate that as well, even if she is a speedball and was clearly there for pace.
There’s not much point comparing that rating with the ones in France though, as one’s just won a maiden and the other has run in a G3.
Anodor was fairly impressive yesterday and did it very easily…looks a good one.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Ham, that French race was a group 3 not Listed. It’s a race that’s been won by some decent types over the years, Cloth Of Stars being a recent winner.
The Racing Post have awarded 106 to Anodor for yesterday’s win a rise of 19 lbs but in order to keep it from being a 25 lbs rise, he has gone back to the previous race and raised both Anodor and Persian King by 6 lbs each. In essence he has admitted that he underrated both colts.
The trouble is that in rating Persian King 84 for his second run, he now has him improving only 2 lbs for his six length win from his first race now rated 82.
The scenario now is that Anodor improved 19 lbs for his second run and Persian King, who looked the colt with more physical scope, is supposed to only have improved 2 lbs.
I am satisfied that my notion of an underrated race has been proved correct. The assessor has admitted such but I doubt he’s corrected it by enough. If Persian King goes to the Royal Lodge and goes close the Racing Post assessor will need to revisit Persian King’s previous run and do some more serious correcting in an effort to save face.
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