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ITV Racing had an interesting feature on the whip following Charlie Fellowes piece in the Post where he stated that his Ascot winner should have been disqualified because of Hayley Turner’s excessive use of the whip.
Richard Hoiles came up with the excellent idea of avoiding going down the disqualification route by making the penalty for jockeys harsher by making them serve their bans on Group 1 race days.
It continues to be stated by some that ‘the whip doesn’t hurt’ which begs the question why the number of strokes would matter.
Predictably Matt Chapman remains damagingly ignorant and obtuse on the whole issue by saying that the whole debate is ‘pandering’ and any considerations of frequency or limits are totally unnecessary…..a self harming position for the sport.
Interesting debate but for me the bottom line is if the whip hurts horses it needs to go.It can be carried and used for steering but it can’t be used otherwise.
It was plain to see that unlike most of the other temporary pundits Ruby Walsh had put in a shift with the form book before doing his paddock duty with the terminally bland Cumani on Saturday.The conclusions may not have been correct but the work was there for all to see.
Walsh does have a no nonsense way of communicating though that may spoil the lightweight banterish vibe that I think ITV are trying to cultivate.
Not really seeing the point of Luke Harvey being down at the start ,as an ex jock he could offer a lot more insight to what he notices and what is going on down there but instead all we get is him trying to be mates with the often reluctant jockeys.
I personally don’t mind fashion coverage on big meetings but Charlotte Hawkins sounds incredibly insincere and fake and once again there is no attempt ( except when they do pre-recorded fashion features) to make the content interesting.
I’m in the very disappointed camp when it comes to AOB’s communication style.
Lots of repetition,very little emotion or shareable personal insight,almost obsessive about using people’s names in lieu of any of the above,extremely polite but very little warmth….and the mobile phone of course that MUST be involved after every race no matter what.
I think there are behavioural traits at work here that can’t be helped rather than anything more cynical.
Sigh.June 2, 2019 at 17:05 in reply to: Aidan O'Brien trains more than half of the Derby field #1444313
I’m far from certain that the Derby result did anything other than further illustrate the problem.
It is far from healthy for the sport that O’Brien has had 7 Derby winners from 80 runners in the last 18 years and comparisons with the achievements of trainers of the past always fail to mention the discrepancy in the sheer number of runners that O’Brien has.
To the casual observer 1 trainer having more than 50% of the runners in 1 race will look very odd and unsporting and to those that follow the sport the so called greatest flat race of the season is losing its significance,character and meaning and is in danger of turning into a complete guessing game where even the trainer of the winner doesn’t seem to know what his best chance is so he runs as many horses as possible to guarantee success.Not healthy.
I certainly wont miss the scattergun entry tactics of having 5 horses in big races etc and never really got a sense of passion or interest from O’Leary in the way you do from JP or Trevor Hemmings etc. I think it was a costly business enterprise that became a bit unwieldy and hard to enjoy properly and no surpise that having had so much ‘success’ he has tired of his play thing.
The reasons given for scaling back don’t really stack up to me ………I always thought that teenage kids require less input and support from their parents not more.
And how about Al Hilalee for a last minute spanner in the works supplementation……….!
What does that say if anything about Royal Marine confidence.
More of a Derby type on breeding and plenty to find on form but impossible to completely ignore the signals……
Bryony Frost seems to very easily find a comment for every question or situation but I’m afraid it comes across as annoying motor mouthed bland waffle ….trying too hard and a little bit over confident especially given her level of experience.
Spotting McCoy looking annoyed or bored stiff every time Cumani and latterly Frost start wittering on is becoming a quite entertaining sideshow.
Sexist me? I hope not because Fitzgerald is well up there with the worst of mouth openers who actually don’t say very much.
Silly business if you ask me ….. Darren Yates said on TV that buying Don Poli would ‘just be buying a runner’ and he sounded against the idea but clearly couldn’t resist.
I would love to see ‘the books’ of the people who bought Outlander because the whole operation behind trainer Richard Spencer have put millions into the sport for precious little return ( relative to what they’re spending) and buying a runner at the GN would be another example of them having much,much more money than racing sense.
It’s rich man’s ‘mug’s game’stuff.
The most unsatisfactory thing is that the day before the horses run the name of the trainer is changed to someone who has had zero to do with prepping the horse.Silly
No surprise if Tiger was campaigned next year like the ‘best staying chaser’ in the sport that he undoubtedly is IMO.
He will get top weight for the GN next year therefore a campaign that targets the Gold Cup could easily emerge as an alternative that although doesn’t have anywhere near the immortality of winning 3 Nationals it would be an arguably more achievable way of establishing Tiger as an all time great.
As a racing fan seeing Tiger win the KG and the GC and maybe then seeing if the GN was within scope in terms of dates,weights and wellbeing would be a privilege to see happen.
I’m amazed and disappointed that Saturdays racing either on the Opening Show or the main show there was no time given to showing proper replays of the Festival action….I don’t mean reverse angle ,arty farty brief shots of the very ends of races set to music but proper replays of the main races with a bit of summary voice over to set them up followed by the actual original commentary ,so that if you were working last week and had missed the races you could catch up properly.
A ten minute package summarising the stories of the festival with proper length replays with proper commentaries would be a great way of getting viewers interested in racing instead of the gimmicky stuff that they always tend towards which are totally uninformative to viewers who are trying to catch up on what went on and do nothing to promote interest.
I prefer Brian Gleeson in the betting ring to Chapman….he generates enthusiasm and excitement and he knows his stuff.
Very interesting decision to demote Chapman to the sideshow of the Social Stable which has always been crap and remains so because his double act with Gleeson really never worked.
I agree that McCoy isn’t adding much and has an attitude problem at times …..quite entertaining to see him and hear him barely containing his disdain for the awful Cumani.
Is it possible for Francesca Cumani to sound any more like she is just going through the motions than she does at the Cheltenham Festival this week…………..she sounds completely out of her depth and extremely disinterested to boot.
Her comments and the precious few links that she is trusted with totally lack any bite or insight and add nothing to the coverage ,its like small talk and for someone with her background really poor.
Blander than bland and definitely not hired on merit.
I am inclined to not appear to take anything away from either horse ( or any other horse entitled to be called ‘great’) by trying to compare them…..both were untouchably great and brilliantly campaigned once in a lifetime animals,no ifs or buts.
Really sorry to see him retiring at this relatively lowly level of the game ….he was a trainer that could stand toe to toe with those of a golden era with the likes of Gosden,Stoute,Cecil,Hern,Dunlop,Harwood,Hills and he deserved to quit at the top after a glorious season after a handover season of success with his son not being able to resist the lure of coming back to the UK to take over a mega thriving stable…..just goes to show that ,you can’t do anything without the raw materials.
The high profile withdrawal by high profile owners of horses at crucial periods of his career have tarnished and ultimately hastened the end of his career.Curious and not what his record deserved.