- This topic has 74 replies, 19 voices, and was last updated 2 years, 9 months ago by
.
- Posts
The fact that he has form on soft and heavy ground would lead me to believe if those condition came up, the Arc would be an option – maybe the Irish Champion Stakes would be too where they could again front load the pace (in a small field) with their own horses (obviously running on their merits to obtain the best position possible
) although with Luxembourg around logistically it may be problematical keeping them apart.I still look back to Epsom with the view that had the jockey on King of Steel known he would pick up quite the way he did, he would have held on to him that bit longer like he did at Ascot – to me he is quite obviously the quicker horse and connections may now just be ruing not running him today.
“to me he is quite obviously the quicker horse and connections may now just be ruing not running him today.”
If King Of Steel ran held up like at Ascot imo he wouldn’t have got there.
As usual, I trust my own eyes and the data more than anything connections are flanneling to protect his stud value.
I’d fancy King Of Steel if they met again at 1m4f.
And Auguste Rodin won’t be winning at 1m2f.
I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“If King Of Steel ran held up like at Ascot imo he wouldn’t have got there”
I doubt he would have sat out the back giving his main danger that amount of leeway, he most likely would have sat right in behind him and followed him through and done him for a turn of foot.
Like ID said, not sure I can see him winning over 10F considering the horses that are around at that trip show much more speed than him – if he was in any other stable the most likely port of call would be the St Leger maybe with a run in the Volitiguer as a prep or the King George, but that could be quite a hot race this year (Emily Upjohn, Pyledriver, Hukum, Desert Crown, Adayar Westover and Luxembourg all entered) and I am not sure he has the tactical speed what with Ascot’s shortish straight.
“I still look back to Epsom with the view that had the jockey on King of Steel known he would pick up quite the way he did, he would have held on to him that bit longer like he did at Ascot – to me he is quite obviously the quicker horse and connections may now just be ruing not running him today.”
I agree with LD73.
I was saying to a friend just now time may tell the best horse was second in The Derby this year.
Whereas Dancing Brave was left with too much to do in 1986, King Of Steel in 2023 may have been sent for home too soon.
I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“maybe the Irish Champion Stakes would be too where they could again front load the pace (in a small field)”
This could be the weakest 10f G1 available so they’ll probably go for that. If he wins- rave about how much speed he has and promptly retire. If he loses- aim for the Tatts Gold Cup next spring and if he loses that as well, aim for the Supreme Novices’ 2025.
Really depressing to see a classic race ( or any race for that matter) reduced to a farce like this and the winner deliberately allowed first run by a stablemate who clearly wasn’t ridden to try and beat him in my opinion.
And of course ,nothing will be said or done.
I think Auguste Rodin would have won anyway, but the runner up’s jockey never looked in much danger of picking up a whip ban.
I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"The Irish Derby can throw up strange results so i wouldn’t look too much into it. I agree ar needs a strong pace to aim at if not he is just coasting. Could be he will be similar to sea the stars and only win by small margins. The Derby form bar the 3rd and 4th today is holding up. I’d guess the king George would be the ideal race for ar IMHO,then irish champion,then arc or breeders Cup. Depends on Luxembourg and indeed Paddington who I think will be top notch at 10f.
Just watched and my initial thought is the jockey on the runner up is willing Augustin to hurry up
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
“And of course ,nothing will be said or done.”
I could not be bothered watching RTV’s post race analysis. McClean and O’Ryan will not have seen anything, just like they have never seen a non trier. And Mr Establishment Nick Luck is hardly likely to say anything that runs the risk of upsetting anyone at Ballydoyle.
‘Just watched and my initial thought is the jockey on the runner up is willing Augustin to hurry up’
Agreed Nathan.
I wanted to watch the race again but because of the horrific injury sustained by San Antonio I won’t.From what I can rememberI do believe that Auguste Rodin seemed to be struggling with the strong headwind in the final furlong which made him look slow and struggling to finish off his race. I wouldn’t want too judge him too much on that run. Let’s see him in a faster run race and then make the call. Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...What next for Auguste Rodin?
Here’s my target race stats for runners from the Irish Derby.
Just watched the replay, the first time I watched the race since yesterday.
Heffernan’s ride is a disgrace. Watch it about a furlong and a half from home. He makes barely any effort. He eventually switches once “The One The Lads Want To Win” goes by and gives a token back hander or two. He is beaten just over a length.
It looks terrible. Irish racing should be ashamed of it but of course the stewards saw nothing. Can’t risk upsetting Magnier and the rest of The Lads.
I’ve heard some tremendous excuses for Auguste Rodin the last 24 hours.
My personal favourite being the headwind.
Was he the only runner affected by it, then?
You cannot believe a single word that comes out of the mouths of the connections of this horse because they are desperate to present the image of an outstanding racehorse who could come back to 1m2f and still deliver.
The reality is the runner up to him at Epsom in The Derby was sent for home too soon and yesterday he’s taken forever to get past his pacemaker who wasn’t exactly cut in half to try to prevent him doing it.
I am "The Horse Racing Punter" on Facebook
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_Davies_
https://www.facebook.com/ThePointtoPointNHandFlatracingpunter/
It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Re the discussion on the performance/quality of Auguste Rodin and other runners in the Irish Derby.
For comparison here are the winners , finish times and course going from 2000 to 2023
Thanks for the comparison pawras. I guess the super fast times clocked between 2001 and 2006 might be explained by the fact that watering wasn’t even known in Ireland in those days.
Trading Leather also clocked a very fast time back in 2013, sadly he was another son of Teofilo to suffer a catastrophic injury when racing in the Japan Cup. Quite interesting to see that back in this same year the Irish 2,000 Guineas, the Irish Derby, the King George and the Juddmonte International were all on good/firm ground….
) although with Luxembourg around logistically it may be problematical keeping them apart.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.