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He had 2 other foals born that died shortly after birth, and one mare that slipped her foal, that I know of.
I’ve got next year’s German major race flat fixtures, but I don’t suppose that is of interest to you Jeremy! Nothing until May, but I will happily post them if anyone wants them.
In the Pedigree table what does for example R:3 wins BTW and B: 197 BTW mean for grandsire Danzig?
R= Racing Career. 3 wins, obviously. It doesn’t say BTW next to Danzig, as he was not a Black Type Winner.
B= Breeding Career. Sire of 197 Black Type Winners.Was also puzzled about what "Broodmare Sires" 149 -1493 referred to in the Progeny Statistics table. Does this mean the win record of all horses that Dayjur was grandsire to?
Yes, Dayjur as a broodmare sire. His ‘grandchildren’ have run 1493 times and won 149 races (GB & Ire only). It may sound alot, but he has actually done pretty well as a broodmare sire – better than as a sire arguably – with the likes of Confidential Lady, Elusive City, Finjaan, and in the States In Summation, Shadow Cast and Diabolical.
Horses are often quite happy to stay awake at night – in the summer many horses and ponies (not particularly racehorses) are turned out into a field at night rather than during the day as there are less flies. The animals spend the night wandering and grazing rather than sleeping.
In general horses don’t do the regularly 8 hours straight sleep thing that humans need. As flight animals they are more watchful and sleep in snatches. A horse may be seen flat out snoring in their box, but may gain just as much rest standing dozing during the day.
I don’t think night racing means they miss out on sleep or need to have an extra lie-in.
However, some animals may not like the disruption to their routine, as horses are creatures of habit. But I can’t see that night racing would be generally more disruptive than a standard day travelling to the races.
Lucarno goes to Wood Farm next year – sounds like he might have a queue waiting for him already!
Re: India for Myles – yes, that’s the Diffident. And Razeen was Henry C’s, and I think I backed him for the Derby
He’s been a kind of wonder-sire out there for them.
I’ve replied to your thread in Bloodstock too.
Pompete – I don’t know of any examples under rules, but a couple have come close. Early Edition and his illicit son Gone Missing both won point-to-points on the same day (18th March 07) at Bishops Court.
Environment Friend kept racing after starting his stallion career – it was an aim of the owners to have him race against his progeny, but he had to retire when his eldest were yearlings.
This is probably the link you need for that question Myles:
http://www.indiarace.com/stallion/main.htm
I’m not terribly sorry to see the back of HW either.
No Sadler’s Wells/Sunday Silence cross has ever got black-type – however I think the cross is surprisingly rare – there are definitely none that have run in Europe.
The other way round, the cross is very popular in Japan (less of a surprise there!) and has had reasonable success. Heavenly Romance, as Ven says, won the Tenno Sho and Sapporo Kinen over 10f, and also won a bt race over a mile. Born King (another from a blue blooded family) won the Keisei Hai over 10f and was 3rd over 11f in the American Jockey Club Cup at Tokyo. Ingot won the Shion Stakes over 9f. Placed black-type horses are Er Nova (2nd in the Metropolitan over 12f and the Stayers Stakes over 18f) and Strategem (2nd in the Nikkei Sho over 12f+).
However, I’m wary of applying the results of a reverse cross to a horse, it rarely works out the same!
Haven’t got all the stats to my fingertips right now, but there is a considerable gap between Montjeu’s colts and fillies.
The approximate winners to foals of racing age ratio for fillies is 29% (as opposed to 50% for colts). 22 of his fillies have gained black-type (7%ish), as opposed to 54 (18%) of his colts. His average earnings per filly starter is less than a fifth of that of the colts.
To give you some random examples in comparison:
Winners to foals ratio:
King’s Best fillies = 31%
King’s Best colts = 47%
Kyllachy fillies = 32%
Kyllachy colts = 37%
Galileo fillies = 38%
Galileo colts = 47%Black type to foals ratio:
King’s Best fillies = 7%
King’s Best colts = 7%
Kylllachy fillies = 4%
Kyllachy colts = 6%
Galileo fillies = 12%
Galileo colts = 14%So, most stallions have lower filly figures – it’s fairly standard – and
Montjeu fillies still have pretty decent stats. But they are obviously nowhere near as stratospheric as the colt figures, and as such this should be reflected in the price.Physically handing over hard currency for a bet can be sobering – a good incentive to pause and consider how positive you are about your selection.
Somehow clicking the mouse to confirm and seeing the little numbers on the screen doesn’t always feel like you’re ‘spending money’ – it is easy to become too click-happy with bets.
Maybe that’s why I can only back winners on course and not when betting on the pc!
Sounds like another sour grapes pedant to me.
I can’t imagine that even the most international trainers are intimately familiar with all the details of medical law in every country, and this was a relatively unusual circumstance where an animal welfare issue had forced a change in plan. It makes sense that O’Brien would ask the question if he was uncertain what the ruling would be, after all if you don’t ask, you don’t get.
Officials stated that similar requests had been granted to other trainers (with the same penalty) – are all those other trainers similarly incompetant?
A typical non-news story written by someone with an axe to grind.
Sour grapes clouding his judgement.
He’s ignoring the fact that Raven’s Pass, Henry and Muhannak are all by US-based, BC-nominated sires. They have contributed just as much to the prize fund as any of the ‘domestic’ winners. Their success at the BC is also an encouragement for international owners to buy into the US bloodstock market, thus improving the selling potential of their homebreds.
In addition, the other European horses are mostly by EBF-nominated sires, who are in conjuction with the BC fund, so also have paid their fees in contribution to the prize fund. Those that have not have to pay a huge supplementary sum. This international money is a big part of the BC process – it is a chance for US owners to win money that they have not put forward, bringing money into their economy.
So, his financial argument is garbage.
And I don’t even want to start on his complete disregard for the evidence on horse welfare. IMO, the first ‘synthetic’ Breeders’ Cup was a vast improvement on last year’s fiasco at Monmouth, and long may the improvement continue.
He has had a Gr.1 winner (Diamond Quest in the Canon Gold Cup) in South Africa.
His best progeny from his crops in France and the US are probably:
Gr.2 winners Stretarez, Steward, Loxias, Silver Fun, Belcore (in Germany),
Gr.3 winners Katun, Maroussie, Luna Mareza,
Listed winners Crillon, Rainer, Febrar, Sacred Fire, Mayaro, Supreme Commander, Toto Les Heros, Fuenji,In South Africa he has Stakes winners:
Bill of Rights, Omega Code, Pay The Piper, Alpe d’Heuz, Supreme Gold, Arctic Fleece.He also has Tabascorez – last year’s Horse of the Year in Mauritius!
Don’t believe all the ‘limited opportunities’ stuff, it’s just that the information is limited on the RP database.
