[prince regent]

<br>black sam bellamy

i am to be honest one of those awful southerners but i  admit i have actually attended catterick races  on a few occassions

 so  it is not without experience the axe would fall on this track

 i have seen ripon racecourse  it is quite attractive   so i would reprive it on that score :biggrin: :biggrin:  allthough one or two of its days are reasonable

another for the princes axe would be plumpton

 phunter  i would have to agree with you doncaster seems a soulless track with good class racing and badly designed in the bargain

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<br>the prince regent axe would fall on

catterick- cant think of one good thing about this course

sedgefield

bath

hamilton

fakenham

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<br>yes but its silly when a horse wins the tote gold trophy or  the hennessy  to just carry on about what a good trial it is for cheltenham they are excellent races in their own right

  you dont say after the st james place stakes at ra what a good trial for the bc mile

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<br>well spotted  

i bet sheik mo wishes he had borrowed your glasses:biggrin:

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<br>would jordan and her silicon enhanced boobs suffer from this  ailment

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<br>i agree with you ian  i dont think  goodwood would be ideal for kalaman, although giants causeway was good enough to win this despite being more suited to 10f  allthough he is probably a much better class horse than kalaman.

for me  i get the  impression that all is not well with sulamani but if he turns up and looks good  8/1 would be a good  price  allthough ascot  is not the best track   for exagerated hold up tactics that dettori used in dubai.

 victory moon   looks an interesting contender

 and fabilev  whislt there is some doubts about his stamina  does have the form in the book and last year  put up some very good times over 10f and 12f

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<br>if trade fair goes for the july cup  even with choirist he has a great chance of winning (subject to fast ground)

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<br>tdk

i would take in much of what you and cormack are saying

 and for many  you may be right about winner finders being relentless favorite backers

  but some may say  a horse being favorite does not mean it has the best form in the race it only appears so

[prince regent]

<br>some interesting theories

one point is correct  it is impossible to suceed if you try and find the winner of every race on the card

presuming  we all work  say roughly  8 hours  a day + travelling time   commensense will tell you there are not enough hours in the day   to study every race  in detail

selectivity  is one factor

 ian  you mention mark coton  i believe after heavy losses he has given up the game  at least thsi was the case in  september perhaps u have an update on this

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<br>mh

i would have to disagree with you about galileo  

 he actually ran a very good race in the irish champion  and only lost to fl in a tactical race   admit not  one of kinanes finest moments   the form of his derby   through golan and storming home last year has worked out very well

 and referring to the qe11  in the soft going and front running  do u think summoner would have got to him<br>maybe and maybe not  

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<br>dark knight  

i agree with you that ra and bc day and my favorite day   king george day at ascot is better overall

 i never used to like the course  but it has been much improved of late  but as  with another thread mesh started  its the poor quality supporting  cards that  take much away from it  in my opinion and probably others  if they revamped the cards then i think the day (s) would be much better

a very good race  but ruined by the race planners

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<br>ian

thank god for some common sense  much better than the unfair and unfounded  cristiscm handed out to starkey

  some race readrers described dancing brave  as wandering on the camber like a drunk  but still insisted  that starkey was the problem

it was however an exceptional ride given to sharastini by swinburn

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<br>possibly from being given to much to do sulamani had used up to much energy  in getting a position.

i suppose with all the critiscism of the jockey and hold up horses can look unlucky when they are not  it may be he is not as fast as he looks

 an interesting horse for this year though especially on quick ground

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<br>dungheap,<br>i think as smithy points out you are a bit liberal with your use of times   but  on your last point whilst i think you will be proved wrong  i do hope in a perverse way you are right  in that we see many performences of the quality shown on saturday

robbo

as always from you a good posting  

but some assumptions   why when connections of wow were bullish about a good run (the jockey on ml for example) would he be so far behind hw  on terms of fitness

  may i remind you after a  long season  and some hard races over a trip to far he suffered the virus which probably accounted for some of his effort behind wow in the qe11   he had in the 2000 gns  finished in front of  wow.  i also find it hard to believe it takes t mills nearly 4 months longer to get wow fit as u suggest.

 i would love to hear excuses for the beaten horses and reasons why they will reverse the  form.  very quiet and nothing    forthcoming from connections so far  what possible excuses can they have ??  they cant use the ground trip or track or fitness.

and finally robbo  this  myth  (which u are not the only one to repeat)  that  the finishing effort in the 2000 gns was some sort of mirage  and that no matter  where he was drawn the result would have been the same  is wrong check the sectional times  they concur with the fact that if they were drawn on the same side or perhaps  spencer had started his run  a tad sooner  he would have beaten rog

 now robbo check hw record for last year  it always showed  he was capable of some big runs   and the only question for this year   was would there be any lasting effects  from his efforts in the derby or more importantly from having the virus

 i think  he awnsered them quite emphatically

 oh and u mention a mid 130 rating  well he is on 137<br> this puts him 2nd t0 dancing brave  since 1986  and  2nd to el gran senor  in 1984 for mile ratings  

so perhaps a 137+  would be accurate  

 which is not bad at all  is it ???????

 

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dungheap

i can see one big cross in cape crosses write up  and that is the quality of opposition he faced  potheen managing to come second within 3l tells its own story of the race (and cape cross had to be ridden out to beat him)

i would have thought pulling 11l clear without being under maximum pressure   from a field containing numerous grp 1 and grp 2 winners   would be classed as a  positive rather than a negative especially as  the horses out with the washing cant have any excuses

i cant see why you keep on about hype hype  its a little  tiring when   the official handicapper  timeform  superform  globeform   all credit it as  a performence out the top draw surely they cant all be mistaken

 to see  top class horses strung out like that in the manner of a  folkstone chase on a winters day over a mile on good ground is not a sight you will see often in a grp 1 race

(Edited by prince regent at 1:43 pm on May 20, 2003)

[prince regent]

<br>as a guide  cape cross  when setting his record beat mainly handicappers and exposed grp 2 horses   with air express running one fo his stinkers

and about 9l covered the whole field

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<br>dungheap

a did cape cross not have the run of the race

bwas there any credible opposition that day

 did he have any performences in his profile that suggest<br>  that the awnser to a  is yes  and the awnser to b is no

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