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This should help you:
I think they follow what Musselburgh did.
Seven Heavens (107) – a very naughty boy who knows I don’t like him very much. He’s been sent packing to Hong Kong where he might just mop up if he learns to control himself or gets his knackers nipped.
I am very surprised that he and Senator are sold to Hong Kong. I don’t think they can adapt the environment very well as the training environment is much different from UK. Much less area for them to enjoy.
Cunco (105) – another naughty boy who has gone to Hong Kong. To be fair he is better behaved now than he was as a 2 year old but he is exposed.
I believe this one is sent to US and he isn’t sold yet.
In other countries, it is common that the stall handlers help to remove the blindfolders. Why is it not the same case in UK?
Steve,
Never mind.
Not sure what you mean Patrick but if you click on your link for the Ratiocination replay, you do get the race result. However, when you click on the replay button, you get prompted to either log in, or register, to watch the replay.
People wanting to see the race may not want to register.
This link for Ratiocination from Thoroughbred Daily News just provides the race. No need to register for anyone interested in watching.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/2664/
That’s all I was trying to say.
I take your point.
My point is that despite registration, France Galop’s website is free and full (at least for the races at big tracks like Deauville and Chantilly). I knew TDN has some replays on worldwide racing but obviously the no of races is limited. Just take the Chantilly meeting on 10-May as example, Ratiocination’s is the only one available on TDN.
I see what you mean Patrick. I wasn’t ruling France Galop out, just saying that the TDN replays for the more relevant races to Racing Forum viewers were more convenient because there is no need to log in.
Sorry if it seemed I was downing France Galop. It is purely the need to keep logging in that I find a bit awkward. Just my personal preference, France Galop is an excellent resource. Thanks for helping offer alternatives for readers, it’s all about which ones you prefer and I’m lazy by nature.
Cheer’s Patrick and apologies if I was giving the wrong impression there. My mistake.No problem here, Steve. Maybe I also misunderstood you. Cheers!
Steve,
Never mind.
Not sure what you mean Patrick but if you click on your link for the Ratiocination replay, you do get the race result. However, when you click on the replay button, you get prompted to either log in, or register, to watch the replay.
People wanting to see the race may not want to register.
This link for Ratiocination from Thoroughbred Daily News just provides the race. No need to register for anyone interested in watching.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/2664/
That’s all I was trying to say.
I take your point.
My point is that despite registration, France Galop’s website is free and full (at least for the races at big tracks like Deauville and Chantilly). I knew TDN has some replays on worldwide racing but obviously the no of races is limited. Just take the Chantilly meeting on 10-May as example, Ratiocination’s is the only one available on TDN.
Steve,
France Galop’s website now has replay function for each race. You only need to register and log in to view the replays. Apologies if this information has been mentioned before in this thread.
France Galop’s website: http://www.france-galop.com/en
Result and replay for RATIOCINATION: http://www.france-galop.com/en/racing/detail/2017/P/MmcvMEhPcjhoeEpHaUZycU1rT3lHdz09
I was alarmed by the tweet from Simon Rowlands.
https://twitter.com/RowleyfileRRR/status/861573226085978113
I think finishing speed is extremely strong and the race is not a real stamina test.
From France Galop’s website the time for the race is 2:13.97. After viewing the replay, I believe they covered first 1500m around 1:45 (105 seconds). Therefore Simon calculated a finishing speed around 120% in this race.
You may say the winner has a great turn of foot. But I wonder if he can repeat this under a stronger pace. The French Derby is more likely to have a bigger field and a stronger pace. It is a big question mark for me if the winner can repeat the same turn of foot in the big race.
Judged by pedigree, Akihiro and Waldgeist seem to be the ones to stay further. For me, Akihiro ran a better race as he turned into home straight in the last place and 1.5 lengths behind the winner. At the finish, he was beaten by about 2.5 lengths. He possibly had a good finishing speed.
Not sure, but I don’t think there’s any requirement to win. I think the barrier trials are run to provide schooling and to promote fitness. Any fans of Australian racing on here to clarify?
You are right on the functions of barrier trials. Barrier Trials are common in Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong and Macau.
Take HK as example, any horse who has not raced in HK (even raced overseas) needs to have a barrier trial. Stewards will see if such horse pass the trial before letting the horse to enter races. This ensures the new horse are good enough to race in HK.
For the experienced horses, trainers will put them into trial like schooling in UK and Ireland.
s they have individual press conferences- jockeys/trainers being interviewed on racing telly is about as high-tech as it gets.
Personally I don’t see anything wrong with it, it might seem “undignified” but for me it adds to the rath
I think the Aussies do it (not the press conference); get all of the jockeys for a quick interview after the race
As you know, the Breeders Cup have press conferences (not sure if they are immediately after each race) and even Royal Ascot does it
I think the short interview you mentioned is about the beaten jockeys. It seems common for Racing in Melbourne. HKJC also had similar interviews after those 4 Group 1s yesterday.
Links:
Hong Kong Sprint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5ru2x8S94
Hong Kong Vase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaU57k29tlI
Hong Kong Mile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhryMn8WLz8
Hong Kong Cup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEsverrK8iIIt seems Graham Lee did not know how to respond at first (see the interview for HK Sprint)!
Yeats, you may refer the rule book of HKJC:
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racinginfo/rules_pdf/2016-17/r12-13.pdf
Rule 12 (19) To declare any horse which has had an unfair start to be a non-runner
provided that no horse which is declared first, second, third or fourth
place in a race shall be so declared a non-runner.In your case, the horse will remain a runner.
In HK, it is handlers’ duty to remove blindfolds. The stewards can declare a horse as non-runner if such horse does not get a fair start.
Just 2 weeks ago, there is a horse declared as non-runner after the race (Chevalier Star).
Replay: http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/video/play.asp?type=replay-full&date=20160911&no=06&lang=eng
(A better view at the start by clicking “Patrol Replay” and Chevalier Star was at gate 11)Result and Incident Report:
http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/Info/Meeting/Results/English/Local/20160911/ST/6The Stewards considered an application lodged by Z Purton, the rider of CHEVALIER STAR to be declared a non-runner. After taking evidence from Jockey Purton, Mr J Moore, the trainer of CHEVALIER STAR, and Mr A Speechley, the Starter and after viewing the official videos, it was established that after being placed in the barriers, a blindfold was applied to CHEVALIER STAR which is customary practice as that horse has a history of barrier issues. The Stewards heard evidence that the blindfold was to be removed late in an attempt to prevent the horse from becoming fractious. The Stewards found however that as the start was effected, the blindfold was still in the process of being removed from CHEVALIER STAR and was across the eyes of that horse at the relevant time. Having regard to CHEVALIER STAR’s normal racing pattern of racing up on speed, the Stewards ruled that CHEVALIER STAR had not been afforded a fair start and accordingly that horse was declared a non-runner.
However it is rather interesting that stewards refer to the normal racing pattern of CHEVALIER STAR when declaring if he is a non-runner. Does that mean CHEVALIER STAR would be treated as a runner if he is not a frontrunner? There was no more explanation from the stewards about that.
I find it a little surprised to see that jockeys are responsible for removing blindfolds in UK. It is common in US or HK to have stall handlers to help the runners in the gates. They also are responsible to remove blindfolds. Is there any particular reason not to have stall handlers to remove blindfolds?
wit,
Is that why Luck Or Design changed to Lucky Nine, Comic Strip to Viva Pataca, Freemantle to Straight Forward and Kalaman to Oriental Magic, amongst others, when they were purchased from here to run in Hong Kong?
Yeats,
Let me try giving you an answer for this.
HKJC allows owners to give both Chinese and English names. Obviously, it is much easier to handle Chinese ones. For the english name, HKJC will check with import countries to find out if there is a duplicated name. For example you cannot have an Australian import called Winx or an English import called Postponed.
For the changes in the English name, it is quite usual for HK owners to give a new name. You may think those owners change the names to show their ownerships. Also some owners use a particular word in the names of their horses. For example, Mr Wong Wing Keung’s horses mostly have “Bullish”.
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/ownersearch.asp?horseowner=Wong%20Wing%20Keung
If you follows HK racing, you may find some of the local owners used some incredible names.
Here is a classic example:
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/Horse.asp?HorseNo=T355
He is called Lucky Girl despite being a gelding. Even Joao Moreira once thought he is she when being interviewed!
really need to ask the owners what was going through their minds in that process, but with the horses you mention:
Lucky Nine – ex Luck or Design:
http://www.hkjc.com/chinese/racing/OtherHorse.asp?HorseNo=L259
in the Chinese name the characters mean Long Time/Old Story – Heavens/Imperial
the owners currently have Lucky Double Eight – ex Stralia:http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/Horse.asp?HorseNo=P212
whose Chinese characters mean Due To – Oneself – Victory
Viva Pataca – ex Comic Strip:
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/OtherHorse.asp?HorseNo=G096
in the Chinese name, the characters mean Bomb/Burst Open – Cool/Chill
the owner Stanley Ho famously made his fortune running casinos in Macau and had other horses named Viva Macau, Viva Hong Kong, Viva Pronto, etc.Oriental Magic – ex Kalaman:
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/OtherHorse.asp?HorseNo=E133
in the Chinese name, the characters mean Expert – Art – Witch
reasonably literal translation. the owner also had Oriental Express and a number of other Express horses.Straight Forward – ex Freemantle:
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/OtherHorse.asp?HorseNo=L100
in the Chinese name, the characters mean Cheerful/Pleasant-Person-Cheerful/Pleasant-Word
so pretty much a literal translation.As a Hongkonger, I can help clarify those names:
For Lucky Nine, the chinese name comes from a gambling game which is common among old Hongkongers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tien_GowSomehow the owner changed from 天九 to 天久. But they have same pronunciations in Cantonese.
For Viva Pictaca, the Chinese name means ‘against the odds’ It is Viva Macau who have the Chinese name meaning bombing.
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/OtherHorse.asp?HorseNo=H110&search=1After Viva Pictaca, Stanley Ho used Viva in English Name. He used 爆 in Chinese.
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/ownersearch.asp?horseowner=Stanley Ho Hung Sun
http://www.hkjc.com/chinese/racing/ownersearch.asp?horseowner=%26%2320309%3B%26%2340251%3B%26%2329130%3B&ensearch=1&enhorseowner=Stanley Ho Hung SunOriental Magic’s Chinese name means magician. Larry Yung, owner of Oriental Magic, seems not have a common Chinese word in his horses.
For Straigt Forward, that is a good translation. The Chinese name means being straight forward.
