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Carmody has been Murtaghs assistant ever since he took out his licence to train again, its been working well so far you would have to say
Generally speaking I’d choose the OR over the other two as a reference point to begin analysing the race for three reasons off the top of my head,
1) The official handicapper uses ”lite” data analysis to ascertain his figure, ”horse x beats y by z distance” etc etc. This is perfect as the data is going to be basic, yet consistant in its calibration method.
It will also be potentially misleading + inaccurate in terms of identifiying the horse with the greatest potential for scoring if taken at face value. None of the horses mental,physiological,pace,trip,ground,run style qualities and whatever else are conveyed specifically in the rating and even if they were how can you gauge the accuracy of the co-efficient awarded in one overall rating.2) The ratings data is free to the public
3) The ratings are directly related to weights which the horse will carry in handicap races therefore giving an opportunity to gain direct feedback as to their general accuracy for prediction in a ”real life” scenario
As for the original question about having one bullet to kill myself with would I choose Timeform, RPR or OR…I dont know, wasn’t that a scene in the Deer Hunter?
Well if you are going to misjudge the winning post that is the way to do it, I thought he was pretty aggressive/borderline over aggressive before he ”stopped” riding to be honest and the race was put to bed when he began to let the horse coast in.
In fairness to Barzalona at the time, in real time, I thought he was a clown, but looking at the ground camera he was the clear winner (unless he fell off) when he began to start looking for his family in the stands or whatever the hell he was doing
A lucid, observant and considered post from Steeplechasing, fine indeed
Regarding Ted Walsh: I didn’t realise he was still ranting away on C4 but this was presumably the source of the "Father Ted" reference made by Cormack
Of those old enough to remember him as a jockey, I’m surely not alone in recalling him as an untidy and generally rather brutal rider; therefore I wouldn’t pay any heed whatsoever to his views on the merits of today’s altogether more adept NH jockeys. Not that I heeded anything he said at all for he was always just ‘good copy’ in a tacky populist tabloid sense, but otherwise no more than the proverbial loud empty vessel
The piece was on the Irish channel RTE, Ted has been the main analyst there for some time along with a few guest pieces from Mick Kinane and Ruby/Tony McCoy/Barry Geraghty when injured.
I found Ted’s comments on Sams technique fair.
Sam has ridden a less than 100% efficient race. Lets move on.
I’d suggest bankroll is 50% mathematical and 50% psychological in terms of how you decide how much you want to set aside to bet with.
In the ATR piece I watched the concept of tilt and how to effectively conteract tilt didn’t seem to be touched upon or dealt with in any real way which was a bit ridiculous.
This type of feature offers so much more to the viewer than the abc race reading previews you generally get on these channels (which RUK seem to specialise in) if its developed further with hugh taylor + willoughby allowed to make it a regular feature and maybe develop a community through the website it could be a real usp for the channel
Its difficult to read the ”just ready to start” comment from O’Brien at times. The degree to which they are just ready to start is the necessary componant to deduce from the interviews. I guess it helps to know a little about the horses profile, their style of racing and how much hard work he may have been able to get into them to decipher with any relative accuracy what the true meaning of his words are. He has certainly used this line in the past about HenryTheNavigator and lately Camelot before they won the guineas.
I found his website that was live for a few weeks a cpl of years ago particularly informative as to the 1st time outers and their readyness. That was, before it got ”upgraded”/censored and later discontinued after it was moved to the coolmore site.
Watching the RUK interview I never knew Lydia had her name changed to Olivia by the way !?
I think people are on the wrong AOB horse for this – Power fits the Guineas profile way more than Camelot. He was somewhat unlucky to be beaten by Parish Hall (who looks like he’ll appreciate the Derby more than this), and he should be there or thereabouts.
Of the rest, I’ll certainly consider the aforementioned Parish Hall, and I think French Fifteen might be a contender.
But since Newmarket is the place where my bets go to die, be careful!
I quite like Power myself, the draw killed him in the Dewhurst. It’s difficult to gauge where he is at in terms of fitness, training on etc though. Maybe an Irish Guineas could suit more at this stage…
Born To Sea has an okay profile, I think the Leopardstown race will leave enough question marks about him for the public to leave him relatively alone in the market, even with the Sea The Stars factor (hopefully anyway!)
I was amazed how they let a top act like Murtagh slip through their hands in favour of Joseph at the time, but he has done well over the last year and improved massively since he started riding in public.
It looks quite a good fit between Aidan and Joseph at the moment it has to be said. I’m not sure its an ideal relationship for Ryan Moore unless he can get some quality time to get a vibe for the nuances of a few of the ones he will be on in the future however.Back on topic. I would suggest there should be an option, as the poll is biased to favour those reps on the option list. Also, how do we know just how popular these guys are amongst the sites users if the poll is restricted to only people who like reps?
Maybe you should start your own poll to suit your requirements.
meow, good luck with your pollShouldn’t there be an option offering ‘none of the above” or ”none” in the interests of fairness?
No, but you can abstain.
I hate bookmakers as much as the next man but with being unable to get away from bookies reps on coverage of Cheltenham this week it seemed an appropriate poll to have.
tbracing is correct, one or two of you need to lighten up a bit.
Ok, maybe people should lighten up. On the other hand, having a favourite bookmakers rep is arguably pretty sad in itself….
Back on topic. I would suggest there should be an option, as the poll is biased to favour those reps on the option list. Also, how do we know just how popular these guys are amongst the sites users if the poll is restricted to only people who like reps?
Shouldn’t there be an option offering ‘none of the above” or ”none” in the interests of fairness?
It appears our Tasmanian friend has relocated to Europe, more specifically England if some reports are to be believed
I don’t know how much he does on racing but wouldn’t Tony Bloom deserve an honourable mention here ?
I dont have a whole lot of time for the Daily Mail, but am reminded of this blast from the past after seeing the thread.
Owen and Rooney at war over £700,000 debtEXCLUSIVE By MATT LAWTON, Daily Mail
Last updated at 14:53 10 April 2006England’s World Cup plans have been thrown into turmoil by a £700,000 gambling debt that has caused a major rift between Wayne Rooney and Michael Owen.
Rooney is said to be furious with his international strike partner after introducing him to a bookmaker who is also Owen’s business partner.
Last night, a source close to Rooney said: "Michael Owen should be someone who puts his arm around Wayne’s shoulder. Wayne is pretty p****d off with Michael for introducing him to these people."
Owen introduced Rooney and a number of other England players to Steve Smith at the start of the season after becoming tired of running the team gambling school.
Until then Owen handled the bets, but the sums of money involved became too large and he instead recruited Smith to take care of matters.
Smith set up a private bookmakers called Goldchip Ltd, but it was only last Thursday that he obtained a gambling licence.
Before that, he is said to have been acting as a betting agent on behalf of Rooney, Owen and a number of other players ? believed to include John Terry, Frank Lampard and Rio Ferdinand.
Between September and February Rooney ran up gambling debts of around £700,000 and, when he was informed of just how much he owed to Smith, he turned to his management company, Proactive, for help.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba … z1hgUgjW5f
I watch British racing daily and turn the sound off for the majority of it.
I can watch race after race on At The Races, in grainy soft focus as it’s not in high definition, and as the races often come up in quick succession, it would be totally pointless without the commentaries.
I agree, It would be quite pointless watching race after race, such as on ATR, in silence without some knowledge of what you were watchng,even with just a paper it would be hard going,the caller can add a lot of value in this instance.
Interesting responses, maybe this is a regional preference? If you look at the commentary styles in Ireland, Britain,France,Aus and the USA they are all quite different in their approach to the call,presumably tuned to local taste
I watch British racing daily and turn the sound off for the majority of it.The commentaries are littered with personal opinion or incorrect observations (Frankel is f i f t e e n lengths clear! Horse X is pulling double, Horse Y is travelling well, Horse Z looks well beaten, Jockey Q is poised) I leave sound on for the Irish commentaries, bar Richard Pugh.
I personally want the names of prominant horses,general positions and the stage of the race/position on the track. That is it. I will talk with a friend about how we think the race is developing or analyse what I see myself if alone. It’s expecting too much for a commentator to attempt to get the call factually correct and entertain/analyse a race concurrently
meow, good luck with your poll