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- March 13, 2020 at 10:34 in reply to: Cheltenham 2020 Competition Rules, Selections and Leaderboard #1485919
Friday 13/03/20
1:30 Aspire Tower (Res: Allmankind)
2:10 Mohaayed & Oakley (Res: Aramon)
2:50 The Cashel Man (Res: Ramses De Teillee)
3:30 Clan Des Obeaux (Res: Lostintranslation)
4:10 Shantou Flyer (Res: Caid Du Berlais)
4:50 Capeland NB (Res: Croco Bay)
5:30 Ecco **NAP** (Res: Flash The Steel)March 12, 2020 at 09:45 in reply to: Cheltenham 2020 Competition Rules, Selections and Leaderboard #1485650Thursday 12/03/20
1:30 Itchy Feet (Res: Mister Fisher)
2:10 Kilbricken Storm & Skandiburg (Res: Tout est Permis)
2:50 Frodon (Res: Aso)
3:30 Penhill (Res: Summerville Boy)
4:10 Springtown Lake (Res: Charmant)
4:50 Floressa NAP (Res: Getaway Totherock)
5:30 Diese Aba (Res: Plan Of Attack)March 11, 2020 at 10:35 in reply to: Cheltenham 2020 Competition Rules, Selections and Leaderboard #1485419Wednesday 11/03/20
1:30 Easywork (Res: Longhouse Poet)
2:10 Copperhead (Res: Slate House)
2:50 Ballymoy & Birchdale (Res: Stratum)
3:30 Politologue (Res: Dynamite Dollars)
4:10 Urgent De Gregaine (Res: Might Bite)
4:50 Palladium(Res: Mick Pastor)
5:30 Israel Champ **NAP** (Res: Third Time Lucky)March 10, 2020 at 09:10 in reply to: Cheltenham 2020 Competition Rules, Selections and Leaderboard #1485152Tuesday 10/03/20
1:30 Shishkin (Res: Fiddlerontheroof)
2:10 Maire Banrigh NAP (Res: Put The Kettle On)
2:50 Kildisart & Cobra De Mai (Res: The Conditional)
3:30 Sharjah (Res: Cilaos Emery)
4:10 Roksana (Res: Stormy Ireland)
4:50 Earlofthecotswolds (Res: Whatmore)
5:30 Lord Du Mesnil (Res: Newtide)So give me a clue here; which bit of Cormack’s post was not strictly true?
Marcel Proust and Albert Einstein will be linked forever as the understanders of place and time and the notion that each can be manipulated, by memory or movement, to diminish one and thence to enhance the other, or vice versa, but only if there is an observer/experiencer. In theory, it is just as easy to move to a past time by moving through space/time quickly enough, as it is to visit the Proustian past by accessing the memories of it. The practice of it is a tad difficult at present, but it will happen. All in good time.
The venture under discussion here has the opposite plan of recent alternatives to “popularize” long-established sports. The newer alternatives usually either have clusters of higher skilled participants of international renown in each team, or change the rules to make the game quicker. I would love to read the Appendix in this proposal which lists the reasons why people would be interested in it, and the market research data that backs up such a conclusion. If I were asked the question: “Are you interested in following this competition?”, my answer would be: “Don’t be silly. Tell me again, where does the excitement come in?”
Another Group winner for Frankel two days ago with Elizabeth Way winning the Group 3 The Very One Stakes at Gulfstream Park. She is out of the winner of the Group 1 Coronation Stakes at Royal Ascot (at York in 2005) Maids Causeway. With that pedigree, it is amazing that Godolphin let her go at Goffs November Sales last year for about £50,000. Being a Group winner by Frankel out of a Group 1 winning mare must make her a lot more valuable than that now. You have to admire the bloodstock agent John J McCormack for seeing so clearly into the future when he won that auction with a view to racing her in the USA.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/race/usa/gp/2020/2/29/7/the-very-one-s-g3t
Frankel had a great result in the Longines Turf Handicap at Riyadh today, with the winner, Call The Wind, earning over a million pounds and the second, Mekong, earning £375,000. It may not be a Group race, but the prize money is very good. After all, The Melbourne Cup is just a handicap too.
Thank you PunterLog for finding and posting the video. Mozu Ascot seemed to win that comfortably. Tough, strong, still improving at age six. What more could we ask of a Frankel horse?
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRANKEL.
About this time last year I posted on this thread about the APEX Northern Hemisphere stallion data for the previous year, and about how that showed what a top class stallion Frankel was. The data for 2019 was published a couple of weeks ago, and the situation is much the same. Frankel is top of the world rankings for the percentage of his offspring getting into the top 2% of earners, and third in the world rankings for the percentage of his offspring getting into the top 8% of earners. There were 748 stallions listed for 2019.
An Average stallion has a score of 1.00. Frankel’s score of 6.20 means that his offspring have 6.20 times the chance of being in the top 2% of earners compared to a horse by an average stallion .
Some highlights from the data:
The top five live stallions for getting offspring in the top 2% of earners are:
Frankel at 6.20
Galileo at 5.96
Dubawi at 5.08
Farhh at 4.35 (Note: has relatively few runners compared to other top class stallions)
War Front at 4.35Some other notable stallions scores:
Sea The Stars 3.20
No Nay Never 2.94
Shamardal 2.87
Teofilo 2.87
Camelot 2.66
Kitten’s Joy 2.49
Siyouni 2.21
Lope De Vega 2.15
Dark Angel 2.12
New Approach 2.11
Kingman 2.08It is interesting to compare stallion fees (from Racing Post) with stallions’ ability to sire classy racehorses.
For those who would like a full list of all the 2019 data (and other years too) and a full explanation of how things are worked out you can see it all for free at:
The Timeform weight-for-age tables say that a 2yo on 12th October (Dewhurst) over a mile would receive 18 pounds from a fully mature horse; and that a 3yo on 3rd May (2000 Gns) should receive 9 pounds from a fully mature horse. So normal improvement would be 18 – 9 = 9 pounds. That’s the theory of course; good luck to anyone who doesn’t see the horse on a daily basis in judging whether it has improved by 5 or 15 pounds or anywhere in between. Perhaps we ought to have a competition to see who can predict Pinatubo’s progress most accurately against say three horses who look as though they have run to form in next year’s 2000 Guineas. Perhaps we can persuage Ginger to be the judge, since he seems to have masses of experience of judging the form of a race.
Leopardstown Sunday 2 Feb 2020
Official Going: YieldingRace times difference from Standard
Race 1: 18 furlongs hurdle: SLOW by 18.00 seconds
Race 2: 16 furlongs hurdle: SLOW by 15.00 seconds
Race 3: 16 furlongs hurdle: SLOW by 14.10 seconds
Race 4: 18 furlongs hurdle: SLOW by 42.20 seconds
Race 5: 21 furlongs chase : SLOW by 34.40 seconds
Race 6: 24 furlongs chase : SLOW by 44.60 seconds
Race 7: 21 furlongs chase : SLOW by 38.60 seconds
Race 8: 16 furlongs flat : SLOW by 28.30 secondsIn this controversy, it would be fine to take everything a trainer says with a pinch of salt. They are always seeking an angle to further their own agenda (fair enough, they have a living to make), whereas a Clerk of the Course does not have an axe to grind and is likely to just be doing the best he/she can do to create a level playing field for everyone.
It is interesting that the IHRB are as “up to date” and “on the ball” as the BHA is in such circumstances. In the IHRB’s latest dowloadable version of the Rules Of Racing, their section on Watering Of Racecourses is brief, plainly written, to the point, and hilarious. It says: ”Deleted”.
I could not let you be calling “Happy Christmas” into a huge void with no echo. So, Merry Christmas! everybody. Especially to Cav, to all the people who make this forum tick, to David, to all the posters whom I admire, and all the other posters too. I trust that everybody is as indiscriminate in the breadth of their fellow-feelings at Christmas.
Racing Authorities and Racecourses are, like many sensible businesses and industries, looking after their customers because they need the money that their customers pay them. About eight thousand owners will put about eight hundred million pounds into the racing industry this year; that is about £100,000 each. Regular punters will put about eighty million pounds into the industry this year; and since there are about one million of them, that is about £80 each. The avid watcher of horse racing on any sort of broadcast or stream will put nothing into the industry this year. You may wish that the race schedulers and broadcasters would do a better job for you, but you are massively underbidding in the auction for who has the clout to change things.
It may not have been Barry Geraghty’s fault.
From today’s Racing Post;:
Dual Champion Hurdle winner Buveur D’Air looks set to miss the rest of the season due to the freak injury he suffered at Newcastle.
He returned with a splinter of wood in his foot after his defeat at 2-13 in the Fighting Fifth Hurdle on Saturday.
Trainer Nicky Henderson said on Sunday morning: “They are about to operate on the injury now at the Donnington Grove Veterinary Surgery.
“It is very serious and I hope it’s not career-threatening, but we won’t know for a week or two. However, it seems certain we may have to give the rest of this season a miss.
“It’s like having a large splinter under your nail and the only way you are going to get it out is to go in and operate on it. The only good thing about all of this is that the injury has not touched the horse’s coffin bone, which is just above the hoof.”
Henderson described the injury as a “freak” occurrence on Racing TV later on Sunday and said: “It’s not possible to even think how you could do it.
“It has gone in through the top of the coronet band and right underneath the hoof. It’s very sore.
“The good news is that the coffin joint hasn’t been affected, which is very important. Now it’s a matter of getting this piece of wood out from under his hoof but they’re going to have to open the hoof to let it come out.”Another potentially useful option is provided by the Bloodhorse website.
Go to bloodhorse.com
On the dark green menu strip at the top of the page click on “Sales”
Click on “Search All Results”
On the Search Sale Results page, choose the “By Horse” tab
Type the name of the horse you are interested in into to the “Horse Name” box
On the Horse Type box down arrow menu choose “Dam”
And now, the two nuisance angles. It will only search one year at a time, and the main UK/Ire results only go back to 2013. Choose a year from the drop down arrow.
In the Hip Type box choose “All Types”
Click on “Search”.The Bloodhorse sales database goes back to 1980 but only for USA sales. Sales results for all the other main racing nations go back only to 2013. But it is interesting to be able to see the sales data from all over the world on one website, by choosing “Results By Sale” from the main Sales menu. Obviously the RP re-instating the Progeny Sales option for non-members, or access to Weatherby’s database are complete solutions. But if you have the time, it is not too difficult to move the on-screen data from Bloodhorse to a spreadsheet or a database on your own PC to search whenever you want.
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