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Lavaman,
Just a little bit of advice. Please stop saying things are FACT when they are clearly just your OPINION
You have already said that it’s a fact that United are the richest club in the world. Where did you get this fact from? You have already said that it’s a fact that United are the best club in the world. Where did you get this fact from.
Now you are going on about Ronaldo’s loyalty and once again saying things are fact. Where are you getting these facts from? Or could it be that they are just your opinion?
Mike
Well if you bothered to read up on stats instead of getting your thong in a knot you will quite clearly see Man utd have re-claimed the richest club in the world after losing it to Real Madrid for a couple of seasons!!
When will you realise the real meaning of loyalty from a player to a club huh? The fact RONALDWHO has decided to go when more money comes calling shows this you ignoramus!!
Like i said when dealing with the Anti Man Utd crew you basically give up as they do not understand what a real club is all about!!
if Mourihno takes Lampard,Terry and Drogba to Inter !!!I also understand Chelsea fans feelings if they go too,Players who sign contracts must stay and honour it!
The feeling from this Chelsea fan is that if they want to give their careers a change in direction, then fair enough
There has been no specualtion regarding terry anyway
Lampard owes nothing to the supporters. We know that and hes been magnificent
The loyalty card makes me laugh. How many who keep spouting that would translate that to their own work enviroment?
it strikes me that only Man Utd fans in this country dont get why a player from south europe or latin america wouldnt want to play for Madrid. Says a lot frankly
I think scolari is doing a fine job here. For fergie to complain about others being underhand (note his games with england players) is the biggest laugh going
I get the fact latins wish to play for clubs like Madrid at some point in their career as i keep explaining to you,The whole point is, by all means play for Madrid if you want but don,t P**S about a club you,ve just signed a longterm contract with.
If he wanted to play for Madrid so badly and was obviously so unhappy with Utd why did he sign to stay on for 5 years???? The example of people in the workplace and leaving a job is totally different and you know it.We don,t sign a contract and are subsequently bound by it in our shelf stacking job in Tesco or driving a forklift for B and Q !!!
Footballers are bound by their contract period,I cannot and do not for one minute believe Chelski fans are happy about Lampard and Drogba on the verge of possibly playing in Italy next season.
Who is happy when their best players want to go??? Terry has been the subject of speculation but it just is,nt on the ridiculous scale of the Ronaldo saga.Also to put my opinion in,I actually believe the best players in the world come from Spain,Italy and Holland.
and not Brazil?
The 70,s and 80,s Brazil were awesome Pele,Zico,Socrates,Junior etc but i don,t think their anything special of late.
Just started to read this thread and am staggered by your blinkered view of top-class football and the politics which control it.
Just looked at the recent crop of "nothing special" Brazilians over the last 15 years. One indicator may be FIFA World Player of the Year
94 Romario
96 Ronaldo
97 Ronaldo
99 Rivaldo
02 Ronaldo
04 Ronaldinho
07 KakaBrazil have also in the same period won 2 World Cups and been Runners Up (when heavily favoured) in another.
United are not the richest club in the world. How can they be when they are founded on debt?
They are not the best club in the world, look at the records.
They may have the biggest fan base, I’ll give you that.
They are playing dirty little games to get where they are today, just like every other top club does. They screw clubs and individuals to get what they need (just like others do) but Real are the past masters at it and it’ll take a lot more than a bunch of domestic honours, 3 European Titles and a large fanbase to get to where Real are.
Ronaldo may go and weaken the team a little, he may stay and his play may decline. Fergie can’t go on forever and the replacement may well not be as good or may not settle in.
Querioz may go and the rich seam of Portuguese prospects at favourable prices may dry up.
Giggs, Scholes and Neville are near or at the end.
Chelsea are ready to reload with a new boss and a boatload of cash. Arsenal will be at least as good next season, Liverpool will improve as will Everton, Tottenham and those guys over the road.
All in all the next few years should be a bumpy ride at OT.
Hope you enjoyed last season, you may be hanging on to those memories for a while yet.I won,t even give you the decency of an answer to 99%of your "tripe" printed above.One thing i have learned is never try and debate football and the Utd topic with someone with a clear hatred of anything RED!!!!!
You talk complete tosh and when you utter nonsense such as "a bunch of domestic honours" as if the La Liga league is somewhat harder and more prestigios than the premier league.We have dominated the premier league since it started and apart from the Arsenal challenge and brief Chelsea interruption no-one has been close.
A bumpy ride is what you should be feeling from that "hate man utd" bandwagon your hitching a ride on…I am guessing your a "mickey mouse"follower???????
You’re wrong in so many ways that I’ve lost count
Yes In your opinion!! We all have opinions do we not??? Plus if we all felt and said the same it would be a very boring world!! I could say the same about you and your opinions,You think i,m wrong and i think you,re wrong.
All i know is this and it,s fact..Ronaldo has shown zero loyalty to a legal and binding contract,He has shown zero loyalty and gratitude to the Manager,the Glazers,The backroom team and the fans.The people i also feel sorry for are the poor parents who pay £40-£50 for a shirt for their kids then pay £10 to get it printed up with "Ronaldo" on only for him to dis-honour his contract.
I know players cannot stay for that reason but in this day and age i,d make the want away players pay back every to parents who fork out their hard earned pennies to get the shirts printed for idolising kids !!
One of the reasons why the Premier League bores me tears (aside from the diving, the whining of the managers and the constant, unremitting and unfounded hype) is the tedious transfer speculation that occupies the back pages all summer. Dear God by the time it all begins I’ve had enough.
Ronaldo, for the love of all that is holy, go or stay but make up your bloody mind soon so I can log onto a football website without seeing your ugly mug, you overrated, spindly-limbed Portugese ponce.
There, I feel a lot better.
In case anyone’s interested, Walsall have been trying to sign Bournemouth defender and Rio Ferdinand clone Josh Gowling. In an epic transfer tussle, we finally lost out this week as the south coast star decided to move to the more exotic climes of Carlisle. Now that’s real transfer action.
You forgot the god awful standard of refereeing too !!!
Quite simply Ronaldo is signed for another 4 seasons at Old Trafford.
Its obvious that Big Phil wants him to leave Man Utd so Chelsea can have a better chance at winning the Premiership even though they wont have a cat in hells chance of winning.
On the one hand he has won everything he can at Man Utd, doinked Gemma Atkinson and is dating another fit bird.
Real Madrid are very overated and are always in debt and get funded by the local government in Madrid to help with the finances.
Man Utd are under no obligation to sell him and could even send him on loan to Accrington if they wanted, but £70million is a lot of money but i cannot see Man Utd selling him.
I bet Phil wants him to go to Madrid so he can sign him for Chelsea,
I,m glad someone else sees the bigger picture instead of talking nonsense like some have.I think though, even if he was won the league and champs league etc i still think staying and defending your titles is worth even more to a players career and satisfaction.
Anyone can win a title whever a league or euro competition but the real test of a player and squad is to keep winning,Like Liverpool did in the 70,s and 80,s,Like Utd did in the 90,s etc etc etc.
I cannot see Chelsea doing anything next season especially if Mourihno takes Lampard,Terry and Drogba to Inter !!!I also understand Chelsea fans feelings if they go too,Players who sign contracts must stay and honour it!Utd will not let him go staright away and good job too,I would make him report for pre season training with the reserves for starters!! Make the prima donna realise you don,t dictate who you want to play for when you have recently signed a long term contract!!! Honour the 5 years!! We only want players dedicated to the club and not a quick bank balance boost !!
Also to put my opinion in,I actually believe the best players in the world come from Spain,Italy and Holland.
and not Brazil?
The 70,s and 80,s Brazil were awesome Pele,Zico,Socrates,Junior etc but i don,t think their anything special of late.
Just started to read this thread and am staggered by your blinkered view of top-class football and the politics which control it.
Just looked at the recent crop of "nothing special" Brazilians over the last 15 years. One indicator may be FIFA World Player of the Year
94 Romario
96 Ronaldo
97 Ronaldo
99 Rivaldo
02 Ronaldo
04 Ronaldinho
07 KakaBrazil have also in the same period won 2 World Cups and been Runners Up (when heavily favoured) in another.
United are not the richest club in the world. How can they be when they are founded on debt?
They are not the best club in the world, look at the records.
They may have the biggest fan base, I’ll give you that.
They are playing dirty little games to get where they are today, just like every other top club does. They screw clubs and individuals to get what they need (just like others do) but Real are the past masters at it and it’ll take a lot more than a bunch of domestic honours, 3 European Titles and a large fanbase to get to where Real are.
Ronaldo may go and weaken the team a little, he may stay and his play may decline. Fergie can’t go on forever and the replacement may well not be as good or may not settle in.
Querioz may go and the rich seam of Portuguese prospects at favourable prices may dry up.
Giggs, Scholes and Neville are near or at the end.
Chelsea are ready to reload with a new boss and a boatload of cash. Arsenal will be at least as good next season, Liverpool will improve as will Everton, Tottenham and those guys over the road.
All in all the next few years should be a bumpy ride at OT.
Hope you enjoyed last season, you may be hanging on to those memories for a while yet.I won,t even give you the decency of an answer to 99%of your "tripe" printed above.One thing i have learned is never try and debate football and the Utd topic with someone with a clear hatred of anything RED!!!!!
You talk complete tosh and when you utter nonsense such as "a bunch of domestic honours" as if the La Liga league is somewhat harder and more prestigios than the premier league.We have dominated the premier league since it started and apart from the Arsenal challenge and brief Chelsea interruption no-one has been close.
A bumpy ride is what you should be feeling from that "hate man utd" bandwagon your hitching a ride on…I am guessing your a "mickey mouse"follower???????
Also to put my opinion in,I actually believe the best players in the world come from Spain,Italy and Holland.
and not Brazil?
The 70,s and 80,s Brazil were awesome Pele,Zico,Socrates,Junior etc but i don,t think their anything special of late.
I wouldn’t argue that Real Madrid are viewed in S/America and some areas of Europe as a bigger team than Man Utd but on a global basis, it’s Man Utd who are without doubt the bigger team. They are richer, have a bigger fan base and are the most famous football club in the world…….and I can say this as a person who hates Man Utd but not due to jealousy which is a misjudgement made by many Man Utd supporters regarding why a lot of football fans dislike them.
As for Ronaldo, is he vital to Man Utd for them to be sucessful in the next few years? If not then they should take the £100m and move on.
Pete
I totally agree with what you say and also with Batman,yes surprisingly i agree the Rooney deal was a bad bit of PR for Utd.I will criticise Utd as i will any other teams when episodes like this arise.The way it was handled left a sour taste.
You would,nt have dreamed it could have happened in football before the Premiership etc was unveiled that players would be motivated by cash ahead of loyalty.Contracts being unworthy of the paper their wrote on.Also to put my opinion in,I actually believe the best players in the world come from Spain,Italy and Holland.
The Uk is simply way behind in churning out as many world class players as Spain,Holland and Italy.With regards to the topic though,I think if you sign a 5yr contract then you honour that contract as with any length of contract.Barring injury or extreme personal circumstances forcing a move,A player should stay and give the club the service he agreed.Money is ruining everything in this day and age.
What gets me though is a lot of Racing fans moan and whine about Godolphin buying seasoned and winning horse from other trainers to try and buy wins as oppose to training them theirselves.To me it is the same as this situation,Real madrid are trying to buy a seasoned player because they have seen his improvement,skill and marketing value.They did,nt see the raw talent as Utd did but want the near finished product.If this turns out that it is the media just creating a story then it is in pretty poor taste just to sell papers.
Great run by Arthurs Girl but difficult to stay with the turn of foot shown by Michita,What a burst of speed,very impressive winner.
He has just signed a new contract for gods sake so to then backstab Utd by running at the sight of more money is my reason to take issue with this player
You dont get it do you?
Man utd are neither here nor there to latin players (and many others too) They are equivalent of Bayern munich… perhaps
Show me which top Brazilian Italian Spaniard Argentinian has lmaoured to join the supposedly massive Man utd in the past few years?
and Bayern did take issue over Man utds tapping
I get it it,s you who do not and i,ll explain why,Like it or not and this is fact and not because im biased but, Manchester utd are the most famous club in the world,we are back at No1 as the richest in the world and we are the best supported who attract a lot of the best players in the world.After the Munich air crash the popularity around the world started to climb and climb.That is why players want to come to Utd,so to say Utd is neither here nor there to latin players is pretty naive.
We are a damm sight bigger than Bayern so i think your just incredibly naive or just "on a wind up".Over the last few years we have had Heinze(argie),Kleberson(brazil),Nani(cape verdi,portugal),Anderson(Brazil)Ronaldo(portugal),Tevez(argie) etc etc so how can you say we do not get any decent latinos?????
I,m sure you will say none of them were top players!!!! It is you that seems to think it,s ok in football to dishonour contracts,forget loyalty and make a mockery of the "gentlemans game".
All i know is if he is sold,we will buy 2 players atleast with the same (if not more) and better qualities than him.I just have a problem with the way players have no loyalty and are motivated by money.
Clivex,mean and nasty response.Why the hostility?What about marmalade?and henry?I was looking for figures not feelings.Is today going to be another ugly day?
Clivex mean and nasty???? never!!!…cue his nastiness in the Ronaldo topic!!!
Atleast Barcelona have some class about them and the way they do transfers etc
Absolute bollocks. Barca tap ..the same as every one else
They are not a "classy" club at all. Sour supporters for one thing
and no class when dealing with referees who conveniently retire when the going gets hot too
Man Utd complaing about tapping? Completely laughable. Owen Hargreave? Japp Stam? Shall we go on?
So because Man utd won the Champions on penalites they are suddebnly "bigger" than Madrid? I suppose Porto were the "biggest" side in the world when they won it a couple of years back
If you dont understand the allure that Madrid has for every latin footballer (let alone elsewhere) then you simply havent been following the game.
Well i wont stoop to using foul language on a forum but it is a fact that Man utd have been bigger than Real madrid for a good while now.Even Chelsea are bigger than Real!!! Real madrid are clinging onto the european champs days of old.
They cannot even keep a manager for a decent enough period hence why there not as good as they should be.Porto are an average team and always will be,The fact they cheat by bribing refs may explain their recent successes in europe or do you disagree?????
I,m not disputing the attraction of Real for latin players if you read my posts!!!!!!!!! i,m disputing how players these days(mostly foreign)go to a club and then get treated like kings by the manager,board and fans.They then chuck this loyalty back in the faces and P**S off after 1 or 2 seasons usually.
He has just signed a new contract for gods sake so to then backstab Utd by running at the sight of more money is my reason to take issue with this player.
Real madrid as ever have acted like the school sneak and done things covertly when they should be up on a Fifa charge!!! Utd certainly did,nt tap up Hargreaves,His name was touted as a possible buy for nearly 3 seasons,he just did,nt know whever to leave Bayern at the time as his career was in good form with the Germans.If he was tapped up i think Bayern would have said so.I understand if you are a Liverpool,Man city,Arsenal or Chelsea fan as the hatred of Utd is clearly showing.It,s normal for Utd fans to have to justify anything they say as we are faced with the same grief as Liverpool had in the 80,s..jealousy.
