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<p abp=”460″>Yes, questions might be rubbish but Stoute just comes across as plain rude. Seems crazy to think that at one time he was trying to get a television job.
Looking at the downward spiral in racing prese=ntation, I can understand why he might have thought getting a job would be a doddle.
Excellent and worthy of a prominent place in the horse racing press, especially if it replaced a gaggle of bookies adverts. I’m minded to print it off, frame it and hang it in the local betting offices, if only to here the numpties asking, “Yeah but what’s gonna win the 1.45 seller at Cartmel?”
The passion in horseracing, sadly isn’t what it was.
<p abp=”282″>I really don’t know what you guys want at the end of the day it’s a number of horses galloping round a field. Are you expecting someone to pop and give all the winners even after the waffling of the alleged ‘experts’ it ain’t going to happen. It’s just a form entertainment that you can to bet on. So get over it and just enjoy watching the horses running round a field and hope you’ve backed the one that finishes in front
<p abp=”283″>Just like football is a number of guys kicking a ball around a football field with plenty of waffling by alleged ‘experts’ going on during and after the game.
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If you love a sport you want the lowdown on how the race, game or match was won it’s not just about the betting.<br abp=”286″>
JacI’m afraid betting is so much the force in racing today, whether it’s sponsorship, TV or the racing press…..a terrible shame especially when you see the Tote passed on to a bookmaker. It’s hard to think that sport isn’t in the grip of the bookmakers; I’d settle for a Tote monopoly tomorrow.
<p abp=”452″>I don’t think I could have been alone in sensing the distinct unease of Nicky Henderson when being totally embarrassed by Chapman’s inappropriate and disrespectful ‘interviews’ at Sandown on the final day of the NH season.
<p abp=”453″>Chapman’s joy at landing the terrestial gig is there for all to see but he is totally indisciplined and even his colleagues are clearly unsettled by his loose cannon and frankly arrogant input.He’s like a drunk at the party who doesnt know when to shut up or how boorish theyre being and I think this boils down to a line management problem because surely his employers must know that although the excitable puppy routine maybe something new to the way racing has ever been presented on a mainstream channel but they must also realise how demeaning it is to the sport to have its human stars being forced to talk to somebody who has zero journalistic or interviewing skill whose intention is to make everything about themselves.Truly awful and can’t be allowed to continue.
Well I’ve always thought of Chapman as being the worst of the crew but he has some serious competition from other members. Yesterday’s offering was truly a car crash and I can’t believe ITV are just letting it carry on in this way, it has disaster written clear.
It is the French horses that are sought after for a career beyond hurdling. The first French half-bred horse I remember best in recent times was The Fellow but there have been many more since then, mostly as tough as nails and not difficult to train.
<p abp=”472″>I’ve got quite a lot of older books, journals etc. sometimes you can still pick up bargains. Bought a Timeform Annual for £1.50 in a charity shop once!
I was lucky in the early sixties when a pro punter passed the black book on to me, It was always a month or so behind but a superb guide though even expensive in those days.
The pro punter was father-in-law of a guy who was partner in a betting shop who I knew very well. the s-i-l told me the story of his f-i-l going through the card at Goodwood and discussing it with a few journalists in the members bar. They then discussed the next days racing and discussing what they thought would win. Following morning one of the newspaper tipsters who’d been there, had all of Dave’s choices as his selections; none of them went in.
For me, the sixties were a great racing period, especially the early part.
<p abp=”420″>You are so right about the new commentators not saying or showing the horses. Jim McGrath couldn’t tell whether one was bay or chesnut, and he working for Timeform too, that tells us quite a bit!<br abp=”421″>
There was an old adage that the Derby was won at the paddocks, even today you can rule out a few on breeding. Golden Horn didn’t fit the pattern either and had quite a few fast fillies in his bottom line. Nimbus is the best example on my research though. He probably only just got home in the Derby and I think he was probably a much better horse than Tony Morris wrote, he reckoned he was a below average Derby winner, yet he beat good horses in the race, horses with stouter pedigrees. His stud career was a bit disappointing, Nagami and Nucleus being his best.I’d agree on that. Having beaten an outstanding horse in the guineas, he then went on to win the Derby the hard way in going that you’d have thought would be against him.
Incidentally, I was at an auction a year or so ago when a quantity of large identical looking books came up. They were in fact stud records going back perhaps to the year dot. I bid during the early part but they went way beyond my limit. Thing was it was what I call a fleapit auction so I guess they would have made a lot more in a specialist sale.
<p abp=”367″>He is one of the few Derby winners who was sprint bred on his dam’s side of the pedigree. There have been a few sired by sprinters, Dr Devious and Hard Ridden, but only Nimbus had a sprinting dam.<br abp=”368″>
So over to you Kingsbenitch.I have to admit I’m stretched but a last-ditch effort that he won both the 2000gns and the Derby in a photo finish. Other than that, he was related to Kingbenitch.
I have to admit I was very interested in the breeding and placed bets based partly on that. For instance, way back in the fifties I would bet my Grand National selection then have an EW saver on anything sired by Vulgan or Fortina; in those days a horse needed a greater level of stamina and strength than now. On the flat, on soft going, I would back the progeny of horses who had consitently performed on soft going, action being important though it’s one of the things less considered by the TV teams of today as opposed to the likes of O’Sullevan who was well knowledgeable about breeding and frequently commented on how some horses were well-named.
<p abp=”148″>Yes, a very poor meeting largely due to the prevailing very dry meteorological conditions. We would normally have had more rain but the courses cannot be expected to guess on the weather when they bid for the fixtures. The good to firm going had been watered but I sympathize with those not wanting to take a chance. April is not summer jumping and much of the country will be experiencing single figure temperatures in the coming days
A poor meeting for Nicholls and Sam Twiston Davis as well.
<p abp=”345″>ITV is worse than C4 ( nothing much wrong with C4 IMO) Sally Ann (terrible presenter and interviewer),Hayley Turner ( nothing to say and no homework)Jason Weaver( dull and cliched) and Matt Chapman (over excited and inappropriate)are all vastly inferior to virtually anyone on the C4 team with the exception of Tanya(amateurish)
<p abp=”346″>As for seeing the horses and summarising their chances …C4 werent great but Cunningham and McGrath used to at least do their homework and although their tips were poor they gave accurate and succinct summaries of most of the horses chances before races and totally knew what they were talking about re form.
<p abp=”347″>The in jokes and teasing of each other by the ITV team is getting arch and annoying and once again there were more genuine laughs on C4 for me.
<p abp=”348″>I’m certainly not enjoying this more than the C4 product and some of the hires are baffling.
Not much to disagree with there, it was but mildly better. Opinion…..McGrath is a smug bugger and Cunningham would be a cert for a boredom award as would most of the ITV team. I agree about Stephenson, devoid of personality.
<p abp=”314″>Well that’s part of it Kingsbenitch.<br abp=”315″>
Glenister committed suicide after being found to have defrauded the Midland Bank, his employer of huge sums.<br abp=”316″>
The other answer concerns the pedigree of Nimbus himself.Well I know he was part sprint bred and also that Polymelus features on both sides but I can’t add to that unless there’s some simlarity of breeding with another horse or that he good enough to have beaten Abernant.
<p abp=”247″>I am afraid if you want more of the horses then it is the specialist channels or just accept a situation that isn’t ideal.
<p abp=”248″>I used to enjoy the terrestrial broadcasts dedicated to a single meeting but plenty of those are long gone. The tendency for many years has been to fill time with more races. You cannot easily do both so do the <strong abp=”249″>majority of viewers want more races or to watch horses wandering around a paddock?
I think less sterile twaddle from the team would be a start. I’m no lover of Gleason but he doesn’t deserve being shouted down by Chapman, neither does Chapman’s lingering on with questions to the winning jockey do the image any good. It’s odd that both BBC and ITV were quite successful at providing a racing service covering six or seven races, even providing results from other meetings.
I agree with Crepello that the horses are being largely ignored in favour of the more mundane.
<p abp=”204″>I am sorry but like many people I am busy and I also get the impression no one is much interested in this any more. I find your sarcasm unpleasant and uncalled for. I think this is rather an unpleasant forum.<br abp=”205″>
Claude Charlet was not the owner.<br abp=”206″>
If no one else has a go then I will post the answers at the weekend.Then I will with draw from the forum because I have never felt very welcome.No, don’t do that, Crepello, don’t let the buggers get you down as a politician once said.
My previous answer was mainly from memory but I’ve looked it up to find it ran in the colours of Marion Glenister but was owned by her husband. The horse, well it was out of Nearco and also beat the great sprinter Abernant.
Though I was only twelve at the time, racing was a national interest, especially the big races. Everyone would know about the Derby, Grand National, Guineas and Ascot to name but a few, for the horseracing, not the sleb culture that prevails today.
In between typing, I’ve been doing research to find that Glenister came into horseracing by defrauding his employer; so is that one part of the jigsaw? The case was similar to a more recent case:
<p abp=”108″>Dreadful coverage at Newbury haven’t hardly seen a horse until the <strong abp=”109″>Off
Virtually the whole programme was dreadful, especially Chapman who I’m surprised wasn’t told by more than one to stfu. There’s a few heads to roll before they even start to show some priority to the viewer. What a self-indulgent bunch whose tips give no indication of their racing knowledge.
<p abp=”211″>Seven Heavens was taken down early today and spent a lot of time hanging around by the stalls waiting for the others to come down. He wasn’t sweating up in the pre parade and paddock and he wasn’t playing up, so why did they take him down so early?
<p abp=”212″>Frankie was getting a real talking too from John Gosden after the race with Lord Grimthorpe living up to his name and the consensus of opinion was that Frankie had let the winner get too far ahead, think they really expected Seven Heavens to win today, interested to hear what anyone else thinks..
<p abp=”214″>Can’t wait to see Eminent tomorrow and believe he has an excellent chance of winning The Craven..I’ve only backed one winner the two days that I’ve been at Newmarket so far and hoping tomorrow Eminent will save the Meeting for not just me but Frankel…<br abp=”215″>
COME ON EMINENT
You may be right but I take the view that he may need further and that today was too sharp for him at the business end.
<p abp=”137″>Didn’t they remove all the race replays from their site?
Thay did and sold it to someone like RUK or ATR. Their online publication has changed for the worse. What is it with these people who change something only to downgrade it.
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