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I was on the end of that Inxile travesty and when needing a favour from the stewards tonight with King Ledley it never came and May’s already looking like a month to down tools.
I’d be wary of downing tools as at the minute the ground has largely been quite consistent lately, with a lot of gd-fm in the description. If anything like 2007s early gd-fm period, we could be in for some intermittent ground over the coming months, which IMO is the harder times to pick.
Ref Mood Music, I think he was held too far back on sunday as literally the second the jockey started to move him forward the response was instantaneous and far more impressive than anything else on the day. The way I saw it, the best horse eventually won, but the best jockey didnt. I wouldnt have thought that Mood Music failed to go with them, considering the sheer speed he showed once the button was pushed, and it was pushed some way back.
The front two were slowing up quickly having fought each other for four furlongs. Mood Music staying on was an irrelevance. There were only two horses that were ever going to win the race. Which is why it was a travesty.
Aftertiming here I know, but I ouldnt believe my luck in the Marchand D’Or race, I backed Mood Music, simply as he was the outsider and thought he’d go on the ground, and german horses often seem to be under rated in france.
When watching the race, Mood Music was held too far back and looked by far the best horse on the day, the way he moved through everything, but the line came too soon, and I thought he was 3rd. Was abolutely delighted when it came up that he got 2nd, and even more delighted when the winner was thrown out and he got 1st.
Its such a pity we dont overturn results in britain like the french do.
Neither Mood Music nor Marchand d’Or could go the pace. Marchand d’Or is best at 6f on easy ground as has been stated above. 5f on good or faster is not his scene at all. In the circumstances he ran as I expected him to, thoroughly outpaced but staying on. Mood Music getting the race was a travesty.
A 16,15,14,13 runner sprint handicap at Chester is great viewing imo.
What about an incentive to run? Either appearance money if you do or a non-returnable deposit if you don’t run.
Keeping it simple = dumbing down = modern television
Analysing horse racing is complex.
Sorry, I’ve been diverted by a couple of other things. I’ll get a couple of hours kip, and then do my Overdose/King’s Stand research.
In the meantime . . .
Can anyone tell me what anti-doping programmes are in place in Hungary?
. . . after seeing the muscles on Choisir a few years ago, I’d like to ask the question
Can anyone tell me what anti-doping programmes are in place in Australia?
Exactly Gerald. It was the mention of Takeover Target earlier in the thread which made me think about this in relation to Overdose.
Interesting times.
Haha of course he will.
I’m always wary of taking other peoples times literally. However, according to all these times available to us Overdose has improved by 4 seconds over the minimum distance since his first recorded win in Budapest.
I just cant understand why he is 3/1. Is it purely because the bookies think he’ll go for the Golden Jubilee only, Gerald?
They would be making a big mistake if they missed the King’s Stand. That race has proved rich pickings for foreign raiders (5 of the last 6) whereas the Golden Jubilee prize usually stays at home despite us being told year after year that our sprinters are substandard, and are there for the taking.
Very much looking forward to watching Overdose at Haydock. He should be very difficult to beat at 5f at least, all being well.
Can anyone tell me what anti-doping programmes are in place in Hungary?
Who is it that wants less racing?
The media.
Elitists. ……anyone else?Punters have the choice to concentrate as narrowly as they like and ignore the rest. Why should they worry?
It seems to me that the growth in the number of meetings, races and the racehorse population is down to a democratisation of the sport through syndicates and racing clubs. Surely that is a good thing. The more the merrier.
Top post Max.
Slow motion racing, hock deep mud, tired horses being flogged. Ugly stuff indeed. For those not in captivity best to forget all about racing between November and the end of March, and find something better to do.
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BTW As you are probably aware a scan of much of the contents of Flat Racing Explained by Analyst is to be found on the web. The tale about Teufel and St Frusquin alone is worth the effort of saving the pages.
Thanks again.My favourite racing books are Phil Bull’s Best Horses annuals. As a teenager I came across second hand ones in Foyle’s basement and they really made an impression on me.
Whilst a long distance condition’s stakes at Ponte may have been his idea of a fitting race, his contribution to racing would justify something very snooty indeed.
Artemis you imply that there were others in that period developing similar ideas. Are there any relevant books?
That is some rant yorkshirepudding when you recall that York itself hosted Royal Ascot at York in 2005 with all the original race names, and in 2006 hosted races called the St Leger and Portland Handicap which were even run over the wrong distances. My record book says Sixties Icon won the St Leger.
So Borderlescott won the Nunthorpe and would probably have won it lot easier if allowed to race on the bog that was York racecourse.
Despite your "gelded handicapper" slur you will probably find that Borderlescott goes on and wins more Group races. He has clearly got quicker as he has fully matured and gained muscle and power. It is a trend worth looking out for. In the last few years several sprinters have won Group Ones for the first time at six years old – Desert Lord, Les Arcs, Soldier’s Tale, Benbaun and now Borderlescott.
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I came to the opposite opinion about the split screen as per my timings.Certainly neither horse looked to beat the time attributed to Habibti. However I believe it is a mistake to place too much significance on all this because Overdose raced on his own with an easy lead. We have no idea whether competition for the lead would have produced a better or worse performance. An easy lead is a big advantage to most front runners.
It is apparent that very few of the horses in the second race ran at or close to their best. Perhaps only Moorhouse Lad and Strike Up The Band ran to their best. Marchand d’Or and Rock Harmonie close to their best. The rest were either completely off form or had the edge taken off them by the void race.
Darren
That time (54.14) seems highly unlikely.
Since I post the last message I have come across a link to this split screen video on Youtube showing both races together. If this is to be believed Overdose and Marchand d’Or would have finished side by side. What do you think?
Nice one rory.
One of the many racing sayings whose only purpose seems to be to cloud the issue. Thanks to the All Weather it is clear that racehorses can run just as fast at any time of the year.
There are too many unanswered questions to have a clue whether Overdose would have won. Could he have gone faster with some competition? Would Marchand d’Or, Borderlescott, National Colour etc have run faster without the aborted race? Borderlescott was 10lb plus below his Nunthorpe form.
Overdose is only a 3YO which is a baby in sprinting terms. He may also be better at 6f+. So every reason for going on and trying to prove himself a champion imo.
The sweating beforehand just meant he was up for it. It would be a crying shame not to have him around for at least another season.
