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If a trainer wins a race with a horse who has run say 10 times and never been placed. The horse itself has had problems and there have been many setbacks at home. If the trainer keeps that information to himself and has a big bet now that his horse is spot on…. is he being dishonest?. ( i dont think so personally) But he could easily stop one or lay one out for big price later on. Horses are not being stopped in the final 2furlongs or from 3 out in a hurdle race. stopping takes place well before that.!!! not by pulling them in a race, its the distance /ground/race type /conditions that stops them. their trainer knows when they re "coming to hand".
Anyone who says there s no dishonesty in Racing is not on this planet!. With ALL forms of gambling there s always a fiddle somewhere. Its just that the punter has absolutely no control over it.Does anyone else agree ?
Yes, we all know that racing can attract dishonest/corrupt individuals.
But the scenarios that you describe come under the category of shrewdness, and not dishonesty, imo.
Does anyone know of a horse thats been stopped.? Or been part of a big coup?
I had that experience once in a coup…. about 2 years ago. The horse was 80/1 in the morning , opened up at the course at 28/1, we hammered it in to 14/1 and it won by 5 lngths. Not many knew about it …. every race you bet in ,you just dont know who else is at it. ( not saying that every race is fixed but a few are somewhere.)Barney Curley is the master and always will be he s not afraid of laying horses out even if it takes him 2 years to have a bet. He s no mug.
He just uses the system.Quite apart from the fact that this subject has been ‘done to death’ on various previous threads on this forum.
Rob
How honest is self-certification of non-runners?
Is it merely a coincidence that stalls 12 13 14 and 16 are among the five withdrawals from the sprint handicap at Chester today?
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How honest is self-certification of non-runners?
Is it merely a coincidence that stalls 12 13 14 and 16 are among the five withdrawals from the sprint handicap at Chester today?Of course it was coinicidence or maybe you think it was a conspiricy and everyone involved backed the winning fav?.
Or maybe you are telling us this happens everyday?
If they weren’t going torun because of thedraw they got why on earth would anyone go to the expense of sending them?
Sweetie wife post if ever there was one
I had that experience once in a coup…. about 2 years ago. The horse was 80/1 in the morning , opened up at the course at 28/1, we hammered it in to 14/1 and it won by 5 lngths. Not many knew about it …. every race you bet in ,you just dont know who else is at it. ( not saying that every race is fixed but a few are somewhere.)
Did this gamble happen at Nottingham by any chance…I seem to remember a similar occurrence at nottingham?
I suppose it is part of the game but such instances are so few and far between…and how many of these large gambles go astray? Probably more than get landed i suspect.
First,
Fist
, did the self-certified withdrawn horses get sent?
Second, if they did were they sharing a horse box, thus reducing costs?
Third, self-certified withdrawn horses happens quite frequently, and not just because of the unfavourable draw.
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Don’t ask me ask Carv he’s the one whois making it our to be something it’s not. Or maybe like him you thing the racing authorities head’s zip up the back
I had that experience once in a coup…. about 2 years ago. The horse was 80/1 in the morning , opened up at the course at 28/1, we hammered it in to 14/1 and it won by 5 lngths. Not many knew about it …. every race you bet in ,you just dont know who else is at it. ( not saying that every race is fixed but a few are somewhere.)
Did this gamble happen at Nottingham by any chance…I seem to remember a similar occurrence at nottingham?
I suppose it is part of the game but such instances are so few and far between…and how many of these large gambles go astray? Probably more than get landed i suspect.
80’s in to 25’s or so wouldn’t be a rare occurence – particularly with the on course market these days at a smaller midweek meeting or a AW one it wouldn’t take more than a few hundred quid.
Of course there’s corruption in racing, much like any other sport – the horses withdrawn today were all drawn high, this happens a lot at Beverley too.
Think it was Steve Mellish who suggested on RUK that maybe there should be a weight allowance for horses drawn badly – ie. when it’s obvious, high draws at Chester and Beverley in sprint’s for example.
I’m asking you
Fist
because this is what you wrote:
If they weren’t going torun because of thedraw they got why on earth would anyone go to the expense of sending them?
How honest is self-certification of non-runners?
Is it merely a coincidence that stalls 12 13 14 and 16 are among the five withdrawals from the sprint handicap at Chester today?Of course it was coinicidence or maybe you think it was a conspiricy and everyone involved backed the winning fav?.
Or maybe you are telling us this happens everyday?
If they weren’t going torun because of thedraw they got why on earth would anyone go to the expense of sending them?
Sweetie wife post if ever there was one
Are you serious Fist?
The evidence pointing to badly drawn horses being more likely to be non-runners in Chester and Beverley sprints is
absolutely overwhelming
.
This is one conspiracy theory nobody could seriously dispute….except maybe Paul Struthers.
I will repeat the suggestion (which I make every single year) to make the safety factor at Chester 10 for races up to a mile and divide the handicap fields into two groups of 10 for this meeting.
More horses would get a run, every runner would have a chance from the draw and racing, racegoers and the betting industry would get more races for their money (and it would be safer)
Maybe someone from the BHA could tell me why this wouldn’t be a good idea…
Please no.
Chester’s about the only meeting that hasn’t been ruined by marathon cards. It’s like racing used to be before the trilaterals ruined everything – six races and you can put your feet up before five bells. No fourth days, no bronze cups, no clashes with some evening jumps race, no fillers. It’s a delight….save for the dodgy trilateral revised field limits.
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