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He’s obviously not proving as popular as Darley would have hoped, the amount of money that they are throwing at advertising him looking at the Racing Post over the last few weeks.
Does seem a bit strange for a £5K Stallion.
Alan
If I’d known you were after a sprint handicapper you could have made me an offer for Bookiesindex Boy!!
Alan
I would be interested if anyone out there is actually using Sectional times to their advantage. I have read in American handicapping literature before about formulas involving the sectional times for the closing furlongs, but it does seem to me a lot of work for very little benefit.
One of the things that really gets my goat as an owner is entry fees, for a start they are never what they say they are. The Racing Post may say in the conditions of a race that x number of horses entered at £15 each, however for some reason which I can never quite fathom, that £15 is nearer £40 when it appears on my Weatherbys statement.
But I suppose it is the principal that I really object to, not only will you pay me peanuts if my horse actually wins (I think around £1200 for tomorrows race), but also you expect me to pay you so you can use my horse.
The analogy I would use is if you were an actor in a West End Show, which was also being broadcast live on telly. The Theatre are getting income from tickets and lots of extras, plus are receiving a fee from the TV company. They then turned round and said, actually only the Lead Actor will get paid everyone else will have to pay us to be in the show.
It just wouldn’t happen!! The actors union would see to that.
If only the ROA had some teeth.
Did any of you actually see the start of the race?
I’m sure there is good "non-dodgy" reasons for the horse drifting in the market. However why did the jockey stop the horse after a yard, when it broke so well?
I’m sorry can’t agree with this, you obviously get exceptions but generally the better bred horses are better.
I think the article or research has only looked at one half of the equation, that is the stallion, and I would accept that there probably isn’t a great deal of difference between a stallion costing £5K and one costing £75K. There will have both undoubtedly been outstanding racehorses in their time.
But it is the Dam which is the important factor, and the better bred and therefore more expensive racehorses are out of exceptional dams.
If you go to a yearling sale all the yearlings will probably have a group winner as a father. But some will have a group winning mother as well, whilst others will have a 40 rated horse who has never won a race as its mother. That is the difference!!
A trainer once told me a story about JP from many years ago. Mcmanus sent a horse over from Ireland to said trainer and asked him to train the horse. Mcmanus has never had any horses in training with this trainer either before or since, and he asked that the horse wasn’t put in has name, but that of the trainer.
After a few months of training JP rang the trainer and said he wanted said horse to run in a particular race, which was a seller. The trainer protested that the horse was extremely good and he shouldn’t risk running him in a seller, but Mcmanus was insistant.
The horse subsequently ran in the seller and was backed down at all prices from 50-1 to 6-4, and apparently won by half the track. The trainer bought the horse back at the post race auction, and awaited instructions as to when to run him next.
A few days later a letter arrived which contained a cheque, not only to cover training costs but also to cover the cost of buying the horse back, and stated that JP no longer needed the horse and that he was the trainers to keep for nothing.
If true and I’ve no reason to believe its not then it illustrates that JP Mcmanus motives for owning are different to most.
For what its worth I would take advice from people who should know such as the trainer but ultimately make sure that it is you and your groups choice on what to buy, every trainer you talk to has a horse which "hasn’t shown its true potential yet, and will definitely win a race or two!!" so be very wary.
Contrary to earlier poster I wouldn’t touch the organised syndicates with a barge pole. On a few occasions I’ve worked out a syndicates income from members for a year, and then you investigate how much the syndicated horse cost at the sales, the difference between the two figures even taking into account training fees is often staggering, and you’ll normally find that the syndicated horse is only actually leased so if it turns out to be that one in a million world beater you don’t actually own the thing anyway. Motivator being the obvious example.
I watched Capricorn Run win again on Saturday. I would think that the horse would be worth a fortune in the States now with there increasing number of Polytrack courses and his style of running so I am surprised he is still plying his trade over here.
I think this is linked into my post in the bloodstock section. Basically the Sheikh has had enough of Coolmore dominating and has now decided that money is no object (if it ever was!) and he is going to buy any horse which has any chance whatsoever of becoming a top stallion.
This is coupled with drastically cutting stallion fees for a lot of the Darley stallions for 2008, and trying to ensure that more and more Darley, rather than Coolmore is seen as the place to go for the breeding professional.
1 lb up!!
I thought she should go down in the handicap as she only won that dismal race by a short head.
Thanks AP it was certainly the longest final furlong of my life.
Hopefully I can have some more fun with her for the rest of the year before she retires to have babies, but I doubt very much if we’ll find a weaker race than last nights again!
I don’t think this is a weak renewal. It just seems that like most things in racing and in life actually, we always look at the past through rose tinted glasses and belittle the hear and now.
Yes I did realise it was on turf. Honest!!
But although she hasn’t beaten a horse on the AW (both on Polytrack) her prominent style of running might just suit Fibresand.
As a "clock watcher" it was simply stunning. The best speed figure i’ve given to a 2yo this season by quite a margin.
I actually layed the horse today as the speed figures of its first two races weren’t great, which tells you how they can lie if you look at them literally, but as Andy Beyer would say a good horse can run a bad speed figure but a bad horse can’t run a good one. Or something like that!!
