Why Frankel will rule the world

[Triptych]

Hope your right about Eminent Ginge…still my favourite Frankel and his day will surely come sometime this season.

Thank you Joni for a brilliant write up on the Frankel family at Royal Ascot. Like you I let Monarch’s Glen slip through the net but had Without Parole and Baghdad and along with Blue Point made a very small profit after losing most of winnings throughout the week on the Saturday when I scored a big fat zero.
However great to see Count Octave runing so well over the long distance, he’s certainly one to keep on your side as there are not many horses that can perform well over such a marathon.

Frankel goes from strength to strength and lots more to come this season, I’m not going to wish it away to Champions Day just going to enjoy every minute of it. Even more excited about going back to see Frankel in September and wonder how many more Group winners he will have sired by that time..Champion of Champions Joni & Frankel x

Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...

[chaos50]

Great write up Joni.

It was pleasing he ended up top sire and beating his father in the process. I never doubted Without Parole, he is top class, Sun Maiden and Veracious are future group winners.

It will take all JG’s skill to get Cracksman back to his best, fingers crossed he will. I have to agree about Eminent though. Given the right races First Eleven and Monarchs Glen will do well.

You might be right about the classics Joni, i was looking at the card of the late Contingent, it reminded me of Frankels maiden, she beat Magic Wand and Forever Together that day and look what they achieved. So it’s not inconceivable that he might produce a classic winner.

All comers, all ground, all beaten

[Jonibake]

Wow! That was SOME maiden Chaos. Maybe you’re right. It’s just that many of them seem to take a while to come to hand.

Thanks for the kind words guys. Mark – maybe I am being a little harsh on Eminent but he HAS thrown in a couple of stinkers recently and has plenty to prove. They can’t quite seem to get it right with him.

"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

[newyork1]

Wow so every time Frankel has a winner his fans wet themselves with excitment This is what his 3rd crop now and despite having the best quality mares of any stallion in his 2 covering seasons, he has had what 2 western group 1 winners and a couple in the far east and his fans think that is great

Take of the rose tinted glasses, how long do think he is going to be supported for a 150k a pop if this is all he coming up with after getting the best mares out there? I tell you for not much longer.

If he was getting quality 2yrs olds winning group 1 going on to be classic winners or getting multiple group 1 winners brilliant but he isnt. One thing is for sure he is no Saddlers Wells or Galileo who could come up with the goods from mares who were not that good. As time goes on he isnt going to get better as the quality of mares will not get better as he has the best now. Gaints causeway had 2 classic winners in his first crop as well as a couple of grp 1 winners. So fans stop wetting yourselves every time a stallion whos fee is 150k gets a handicapped winner or listed winner

[Jonibake]

Twice Over!!! Welcome back old friend!! I thought you might come crawling back in through the back door. God how last week must have killed you – to see Frankel finish first at the biggest festival of flat racing in the world! :) :) :) You poor old thing. How wrong you have been proved. And how cowardly to come back with a new pseudonym thinking we wouldn’t know. You are real class.

I know I’m wasting my breath but just a little correction for you:

Frankel’s fee went up last year to £175,000 thanks to the increase in demand following the success of his first crop.

Try and get your response in before you get banned again and before these posts get wiped.

"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

[Gingertipster]

Clue is in the title, newyork. We are looking for a horse that “will rule the World”, not “has” in the case of Saddlers Wells or Galileo “is”.

It’s early days yet with Frankel, as we all have aknowledged.

Did Giants Causeway get a Timeform 136 rated colt in his first crop?

I remember in Saddlers Wells early days some wrote him off as a soft ground sire.

And Welcome to the forum Mr newyork.
There you go, you’re so good I named you twice.

Value Is Everything

[newyork1]

Twice over? Who is that when he’s at home. All I’m saying is wow 175k the Prince is getting that in now as he knows it will soon drop down.As I said frankel has had the cream of the crop if his classic or individual group 1 winners don’t start coming quicker he won’t. As for saddlers wells he had 2 group 1 winners in his first crop with rubbish mares.95% of his runners preferred soft or good grd,so he was a soft grd stallion on statistics

[Triptych]

@newyork1
If you take the time to read through the 109 pages of this Thread you might find out a bit about those who post on here, a passionate bunch of people who have followed Frankel through his illustrious career and are now taking a strong interest in his progeny.

Talking of Frankel as a Stallion, he will go from strength to strength and to talk about his fee dropping down anytime soon is rubbish, it can only rise even higher for all the reasons stated below and more….

* The first horse in 60 years to be champion at 2,3, and 4 years of age.
* Highest Timeform rating since records began of 147
* Winner of the Sussex Stakes twice
* Probably the best horse any of us are going to see in our lifetime

As for the quality of the mares he is covering well you just have to believe the words written in Juddmonte’s glossy brochure praising the achievements of their top priced stallion…

…Greatness is not given, it is achieved

…Frankel’s own Dam the brilliant broodmare Kind was only a winner at listed level..who would have believed or dreamed that she would foal a horse such as Frankel and that he would go on and rewrite the record books.

Anyway newyork1 welcome to The Racing Forum where debate is welcome accompanied by a good argument .. and I think if you carry on posting more of the same on this Thread you might be in for a long and bumpy ride.
Jac

Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...

[BigG]

And Welcome to the forum Mr newyork.
There you go, you’re so good I named you twice. 😉

I had to chortle at that one Ginge

[chaos50]

Welcome to the Frankel forum newyork1 or whoever you are, looking forward to the banter.

Just so you know, Frankel has sired 100 winners from 168 runners, that’s nearly 60% strike rate.

Without Parole’s dam had not had even a listed winner, so he does not need high class mares to produce Group 1 winners.

All comers, all ground, all beaten

[newyork1]

He won’t be ruling the world that’s for sure. It’s doesn’t matter what he achieved on the racecourse or what figure he got from Timeform. As I said the quality of mares won’t get any better as time comes on. I reckon he has 2 more yrs to come up with goods as in classic winners or individual group 1 winners otherwise the best he won’t be getting. No ones paying 175k to get a 10k listed winner 😂

[biskybat]

Just on a point of fact about group 1 winners, he has three in 2018 to date (cracksman, without parole, mozu ascot) which is more than galileo, dubawi or any other sire in Europe.

This is despite only having 3 crops out there – plenty of g1s are won by older horses.

So the idea that he ‘needs’ group 1 winners or isn’t getting them is fanciful.

[Jonibake]

I like a good and honest debate like anyone. But let’s not feed trolls who post the same crap 8 times. The evidence with Frankel speaks for itself.

"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

[newyork1]

Troll posting crap? Wow so anyone who doesn’t ageee with on on this issue is a troll and taking crap? Grow up fella it’s called freedom of speech and expression. If you take it personally when someone disagrees with what you say shame on you. Being rude and uncivil is a nasty trait. Maybe go live in North Korea or Russian if you don’t like it. Have a good day now 😀

[biskybat]

“No ones paying 175k to get a 10k listed winner”

People do that all the time.

You have a misconception of the success rate of a top sire. There is no sire in the world, and never has been, that only produces top horses. There never will be.

If you are genuinely interested, google “Galileo progeny results” and take a look. Top, top horses like Great Sound, Walter Sickert and Stormbound up there recently! A listed win would be a major step up from being flogged around Brighton to finish last in a 0-70 handicap at the age of 9.

That’s just the way it is. Nothing to do with Frankel, Galileo or any other sire.

[chaos50]

newyork1, people who post here are interested in Frankel’s offspring, you on the other hand have no interest, so please find another site for people like you who just want to troll.

All comers, all ground, all beaten

[chaos50]

SURYA gets off the mark

All comers, all ground, all beaten

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