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Aren’t all people with doubled barrel names spoilt brats?
For what’s it worth, following his Kempton win, I immediately penciled in Long Run as one to follow. I was certainly not unimpressed, put it that way. He is no certainty to win the RSA but, in my book, he has a major chance.
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Scottish Jamie
It IS all about jumping and I’m certain that they’ll go fast for him to stay on his feet in The Arkle and I can’t see them risking it but he’s going to find Diamond Harry, Weird Al and Punchestowns far too good for him in The RSA….and Pandorama and maybe even Knockara Beau
My point was that it’s a dangerous race that even claims normally bulletproof jumpers, so those with suspect jumping have little or no chance of winning.
I used Nick Dundee as an example of a horse that should have won but couldn’t get over every fence. I’m not sure I would have run Nick Dundee in the RSA but got sucked in, (I did have a very big bet on him that day) I was aware his jumping was already slightly suspect, shouldhave had more discipline. If he’d gone to Punchestown instead, got more experience, there would always have been Chelteham the next year.For me Weird Al is the one horse in the race that has no flaws in his makeup, jumps like a stag, can arrive late with a real turn of pace or press from the front, course wins, improving with every run, settles well, stays very well.
Having said that I’m still leaning slightly towards Diamond Harry…….a real class act!!
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I think you’ll find that Long Run has won a grade 1 novice chase by half the track, pulling a cart while trying to take several fences home with him.Sorry to make a completely pointless post but that statement really did make me chuckle.
Reminds me of a guy in the bookies a while back; quiet as a mouse until he suddenly exclaimed, ‘Come on, you look like you’re pulling a bus!’
If he’d gone to Punchestown instead, got more experience, there would always have been Chelteham the next year.
Why would he have found things easier at Punchestown? The fences at Punchestown, Leopardstown and Naas are stiffer than those at Cheltenham. Most years there’s quicker ground at Punchestown than Cheltanham also so they would in all likelyhood be going faster.
I take your point but he would have had more schoolimng time and could have got another sharpner up in before the big test.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved Nick Dundee, I was in tears the day he fell, nothing to do with the cash but because of the sight of his leg. Norman Williamson’s was brilliant, his quick actions saved the horses life but he was never the same again even though he did comeback and win a race or two
I’m an genuine animal lover, it saddens me seeing a horse overtried
Who are these people who thought Cappa Bleu was capable of beating Kauto Star and/or Denman? Presumably they are now in some sort of sanitarium, being fed mashed vegetables through a chute to sustain them?
Probably although I bet some are getting sucked in again
Regardless, I ask again, where is the "hype" surrounding Long Run? The odds on offer in both the Arkle and RSA markets are entirely warranted on form grounds, and the horse bolted-up from a rival who emphatically franked the form at the weekend.
Long Run is only a "hype" horse if he has come onto your radar late, and you have no appreciation for what he achieved in France.
It’s paid me well over many years to ignore French imports, some maske the grade in the UK but most don’t. I think most trainers over there rush their young horses far too much, this one just isn’t a safe conveyance, not yet anyway
PS, An Siorrac is one I know all about, and I too believe he can go onto great things when he comes back from injury. At least we can agree on something.
Lets hope he’s the same horse we all know he was going to be when he come back, can’t you just imagine the smile on Nina’s face when/if he’s just won The Gold Cup, no need for Claire Balding’s prompting
"CheltenhamSpecialist wrote: It’s paid me well over many years to ignore French imports, some maske the grade in the UK but most don’t. I think most trainers over there rush their young horses far too much, this one just isn’t a safe conveyance, not yet anyway
Anyone ignoring French imports over the last 15 years will surely have done their stones, CS.
Quite the opposite in facxt although I do 90% of my betting in Ireland…her spiritual home of the NH Horse
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I too was sceptical about what Long Run had achieved in France, CS – indeed, I exclaimed that there was ‘no way on this earth’ he was 15lb better than the Feltham field – but it was hard not to be impressed by the manner of his victory.
The hype, such as it was, was fully justified (and hence rendered meaningless, with hearsay having been converted in to fact).
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I thought Long Run was the topic of discussion?
There is always going to be hype surrounding the likes of Stravinsky Dance, especially when the horse’s owner has already imported an animal of Long Run’s (now) undoubted ability. But a reaction prompted by potential and/or the prominence of connections is by no means limited to French horses, is it?
What about Aran Concerto? What about Cousin Vinny? What about Sweet Wake? What about Beef Or Salmon (undeniably top class, but as useful as an overpaid BHA executive when racing in this country)?
Hype happens, it’s unavoidable, but there have been enough top class horses to have come out of France to make statements such as ‘ignore French form’ utterly ridiculous.
I thought Long Run was the topic of discussion?
There is always going to be hype surrounding the likes of Stravinsky Dance,
It started with both horse
especially when the horse’s owner has already imported an animal of Long Run’s (now) undoubted ability. But a reaction prompted by potential and/or the prominence of connections is by no means limited to French horses, is it?
What about Aran Concerto? What about Cousin Vinny? What about Sweet Wake? What about Beef Or Salmon (undeniably top class, but as useful as an overpaid BHA executive when racing in this country)?
Of course there’s the regular "Next Arkle" hype in Ireland too but I can honestly say, hand on heart, I’ve never backed any of the four you mention in the UK, I backed Beef Or Salmon a couple of times in Ireland, one win one loss
and I may have backed Sweet Wake once but I can’t be sure
Hype happens, it’s unavoidable, but there have been enough top class horses to have come out of France to make statements such as ‘ignore French form’ utterly ridiculous.
I’m very disciplined in my betting, I’ve only had one losing season in the last 15 years, (1250 pts ahead this season so far) my expertise is in Irish form and I’m quite fussy which trainers/jockeys I back also knowing which races to avoid I’d sooner miss three winners than back a loser (i.e. If I think a French bred might win I leave the race alone, ditto 99% of the time if McCoy is on board, Denman is giving me a real headache)
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I’ve posted all my bets since I joined. I was a tad under 1000 points in front at the time, since then I’ve peaked at just under 1400 since but now I’m down to 1250, (thanks to Jamie Codd)
Not 6 bets in 15 years but probably not as many as 6 bets in a week
Its interesting that they are running him over 2m this Saturday in the Kingmaker and im looking forward to going seeing him in the flesh.
His Kempton win was very good and has bound to have been schooled a few times by Mr Henderson.
Sam Whaley Cohen is a good enough jockey and has won around Aintree on Katarino so knows enough about getting horses to jump well enough and Tazbar has shown himself to be the best Northern Novice Chaser of the season.
Had Samuel said "Damn i am feeling wretched missing the Stravinsky ride because it would have paid for my winter Gas bill" i would say "What a F****r Sam, i do sympathise" Unfortunately Sam thinks lifes a Gas, he wouldn"t have a clue how to read a meter! I think Long run is going to be a Gold cup horse and theres more chance of Richard Dunwoody riding it then than Sam the Man! Dunwoody would soon cure Long runs jumping issues! Rolls Royce of a horse who will have what i would describe as a "Scroty Twokker" on board!
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