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Yes, I agree the gingertipster does talk a lot of nonsense from time to time.
I like the bit about the odds-tables as well …
… well funny.I subscribe to Big Mac’s take on this : i.e. If these phone tipsters were any good and had such brilliant information to impart, why not keep it for themselves? They’d be millionaires, each and every one of them.
I never use them, never have, and never will. I trust my own judgement and get along just fine. If things don’t go to plan (my selection loses) then I only have myself to blame.
I think it is more a matter of "if I don’t understand or are not capable, then I do not believe anyone is".
Ginge
No Ginge, old sock… it is more of a matter of holding onto any extra cash I have, and exercising good judgement and common sense by not giving it to some wide boy telephone tipster, who purports to have been "given the nod" or to having some "inside info."
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Ginge
FFS stop hiding behind AP’s skirt.
If either he or DN came on here banging on about something in the manner you have,we would expect to see at least some evidence of it in operation, or they would no doubt be called to task in the way you have.
That you have constantly harangued us about the same subject for weeks and weeks without a single demonstration of its efficacy leads one to suspect, as others also seem to, that it is nothing but wind and pi**.
Prove me wrong!Reet,
Once again you attack me, I do not hide behind anyone. With few exceptions I have only mentioned the table when asked, or in threads such as this where value is at the core of the arguement. From what I see it is only you and possibly Flash that have a problem with it.
You know full well that after your last outburst, I PM’d you with names of two other forums I have given tips on, showing a good profit. So, despite proving to you I make a profit, you turn on me with this latest tirade of abuse. I have given you evidence and you know it. Disingenuous of you sir. I have proved you wrong and it is you who is the wind up merchant.Tried to defend someone I have never met and neither like or dislike. May be it is not worth doing so. Tried to respond to all points anyone makes, but sadly think I may have to start ignoring some people in future.
Ginge
Value Is EverythingI subscribe to Big Mac’s take on this : i.e. If these phone tipsters were any good and had such brilliant information to impart, why not keep it for themselves? They’d be millionaires, each and every one of them.
I never use them, never have, and never will. I trust my own judgement and get along just fine. If things don’t go to plan (my selection loses) then I only have myself to blame.
I think it is more a matter of "if I don’t understand or are not capable, then I do not believe anyone is".
Ginge
No Ginge, old sock… it is more of a matter of holding onto any extra cash I have, and exercising good judgement and common sense by not giving it to some wide boy telephone tipster, who purports to have been "given the nod" or to having some "inside info."
Have never used any of these telephone tipsters, I agree mate, it is not worth doing so when you make a profit anyway. It is the assumption of some here to cast doubts on Nevisons and others (Mellish etc.) ability and sincerity I object to.
Ginge
Value Is EverythingJust keeping the forum neat, does anyone rate – or know – Frank Carter?
He’s one of only two Spotlight writers whose conclusions would sway me for or against a horse. He goes for Tamarinbleu today which (to me) characterises a "value" play against a 2/7 shot trying a new trip. I’m not convinced, but it’s certainly made me think.
Is it morally wrong to accept a fee for a service the market is willing to pay for? Also, surely these premium tipsters have more knowledge than the desperate souls who are paying for the service.
Also, surely these premium tipsters have more knowledge than the desperate souls who are paying for the service.
What leads you to this conclusion?
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Just keeping the forum neat, does anyone rate – or know – Frank Carter?
He’s one of only two Spotlight writers whose conclusions would sway me for or against a horse. He goes for Tamarinbleu today which (to me) characterises a "value" play against a 2/7 shot trying a new trip. I’m not convinced, but it’s certainly made me think.
Max
Haven’t a clue who Frank Carter is, but I would totally agree with his summary.
Wouldn’t back Master Minded with someone else’s money to stay this trip, particularly with Tamarinbleu to tow them along.There are no doubt more than a few people out there who proof advices and do show good profits but very few punters follow them an bet nothing else. I know one guy personally who had horses with Mick Lambert at Malton for many years who worked with the Times for a few years.
He has been running a service for many years and produces an Annual.
Obviously I don’t want to put his name up as I believe I could be breaking forum rules but knowing the guy on a persoanl basis I can assure you he works hard at what he does. Seldom does he not go racing he has an abundance of contacts many of whom are trainers and jockeys he has known for years.
More importantly I found him to be an excellent judge and he’s dug out some real good horses very early in thier careers.more than a few of which ended up being cheltenham horses.
To tar everyone with the same brush is very wrong IMO there are guys who never go racing and realay what they have seen personally and those who sit at home and couldn’t tell you one end of a horse for another.
The word tipster is used very losely I prefer to say they advise, which is a huge difference. If Friggo spoke to John Quinn just as an example and he told him such and such ran well last time out but blew up two out" "he’s worked since with so and so who won yesterday" "he kicked him into touch and he’s running in a real bad race tomorrow"… "I think he’ll trot up" That is a tip.
Some guy saying Tamarindbleu will beat Master Minded is most likely 100% guess work and is only an outsiders ipinion…..you can get them on here for free.
Fist, Frank Carter is a Spotlight writer in the Racing Post and a thirty year veteran form reader. Two-year old expert. He used to be Man on the Spot in the old Sporting Life in the good old days.
I asked if anyone knew him because no-one ever seems to mention him in debates like this and as far as I know, he didn’t appear in the tipping "Hall of Fame" published by the Racing Post shortly after Bruce Millington took the reins. Yet he’s been around since Park Top and is as shrewd as a bag of foxes as far as I can see. Adrian Cook is the other unsung hero of Spotlight tipping.
Cheers RH! I backed Pipe’s horse at Chelters and I have never, ever seen a horse sulk as much as he did!
It’s offputting. I might go the whole hog and have a throwaway on Mister McGoldrick to make all.Is it morally wrong to accept a fee for a service the market is willing to pay for? Also, surely these premium tipsters have more knowledge than the desperate souls who are paying for the service.
You could say the same about loan sharks War Admiral, preying on the vulnerable and desperate. Personally I think anyone who has a tipping line is a conman and they shouldn’t be allowed to present horse racing on tv. Some of the adverts by Derek Thompson lately have been a disgrace and have even contained blatant lies, Thompson doesn’t back horses apart from occasionally and the most he’s ever had on a horse is 20 quid
If Friggo spoke to John Quinn just as an example and he told him such and such ran well last time out but blew up two out" "he’s worked since with so and so who won yesterday" "he kicked him into touch and he’s running in a real bad race tomorrow"… "I think he’ll trot up" That is a tip.
Interesting example you use Fist. John Quinn was supposedly VERY sweet on Leslingtaylor for the Arkle and the horse also attracted a lot of support this week. He ran abysmally both times. What does that tell us?
I’ve known John for all of 25years since he rode for the late Tony Charlton and if he was going for a touch It tells me you would be the second last person to know, the last person to know would be the person who wrote that article
If you really want to know when you get into Settrington the e road takes aswing to the left at the botton if the hill Bellwood Cottages is about 600 yds on the left…..Dont got to the front door they rarely use it there’s a driveway to the left of the cottage walk up there and there and go to the back door probably Sue or Sean will answer as John sees enough people in a day…..if there daughters Kelly or Michelle are there tell them I said hello….Sue will make you a nice cup of tea then tell you to mind your own business How the hell would I know what happened he’s more to do than call me everyday and tell me if a horse farted in the yard
… well funny.
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