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Poor Ginge has left the thread to the sound of slow clapping
I asked a question – even with a
at the end of it, Robbo. Not a serious question. Doesn’t mean that I think anyone should be stopped from going to hospital even if they make other people’s risk of getting the virus a lot greater. Everyone should be allowed to go to hospital. Just asking the question so that people might think of the consequences of their beliefs. Beliefs that they/you are of course fully entitled.I haven’t called you any names, just said that I xxxxxxx don’t want to see anyone “taking no notice of lockdown” (not necessarily you) at the hospital tomorrow.
You have in this thread described some nurses as “narcissistic”. Some people “make me (you) sick”… Plus “society in general is narcissistic and obsessed with getting likes on facebook”… And others you “dislike this attention seeking attitude”…
So just who is “The superior ones who judge others”?
Apparently according to you I am one of “the worst types”.Come on mate.
Value Is EverythingNot true at all I clearly stated that I don’t have any problem with you taking your father to the hospital even though that is clearly in breach of the rules. It was you who personally asked my opinion on this personal to you matter.
I have 100% stuck to the rules personally even though I don’t like them and think the effect of the lockdown is going to be much more negative for the nations health than any virus ever could be.
There is no personal attack on you, I have merely pointed out the flawed logic.
Some of my favourite Facebook warriors when we were under stricter lockdown were making posts such as:
“I have just been for a walk by the river and I cannot believe how many people were walking by the river, it was busier than a normal day pre lockdown. Do these idiots not realise there is a lockdown on. We will never get out of lockdown at this rate”.
I have genuinely seen posts like the above example. They seem to have no realisation that they are doing the exact same thing as the others by the river but get on their high horse about the others who are doing the same.
Good article Chris, and reflects the views of any NHS staff I’ve spoken to, who’re getting increasingly uncomfortable with it all, and just a little embarrassed. Well maybe except for those nurses that were on Tik Tok.
“On The Ground”, this is really beginning to look like one big shitshow, particularly with the general public’s terrifying ignorance as to what a “Covid Case” is. The numbers are way out. Switching the TV off might be best solution for most of us.
Ginger, is allowed to bend the rules as being part of the ginger police….👮♀️
on a serious note, hope your father is doing okay Mark.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Last year, for the first time in my life since my age was measured in days, I found myself in hospital (thankfully for only one night) and to a man/woman they were fantastic. From the GP appointment that I got within hours (and I know it’s not like that everywhere, it was a fortnight if you were lucky where I used to live) to the doctor who finally got to see me at 2am to the chap bringing round the cups of tea I cannot fault anybody.
These people were from the UK, the (then) rest of the EU and beyond. Whether or not it was your intention to stick your middle finger up at these people by voting for the Tories and/or Brexit, you did. I don’t clap like a seal on Thursdays because I don’t need to. I do my bit using ballot papers and that section at the bottom of my payslip.
The instigator of The Clap says it should be stopped
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Yeah, Drone, Annemarie Plas was on Jeremy Vine radio 2 yesterday talking about bringing the clapping to an end next Thursday.
I may go out to clap for the end of clapping.I missed that this thread was here and having read it through it’s been a “lively” debate
with good arguements levelled from both sides as to whether the lockdown is a good idea or
even required now. I’m in that area with a condition which would have me considered as
being vulnerable, as is my wife, and therefore regardless of the decision we would choose
to stay in lockdown until we decide it is safe. When I say safe, I don’t mean absolutely
no risk, as that will never be the case, virus or no virus. I’ll be honest, I’m unsure as
to what is the best way forward, Lord Sumption makes a reasoned arguement for dispensing
with the lockdown, and I think there will be a great deal of pressure put on the government
from the point of the dwindling economy and also what seems to be growing unrest at the
lockdown. It’s a fine balance at the moment, if the goverment decide that they should
do away with the lockdown and life goes on pretty much as normal, which includes people
get ill and die, there will be plenty advocating that the government were unnesessarily
heavy handed. If there is a strong 2nd wave, those for the lockdown will decry the government
for being weak and caving in public pressure. There is in any case the undoubted problem that
at some stage the restrictions could become unmanageable when a significant number of the public
simply refuse to abide by the guidance. Probably there is already a degree of that.On the point of not abiding by the rules, I don’t think that either Ginger or his dad were
in breach of the rules. The initial guidlines in March state that “People are only allowed to
leave their house for limited purposes” There are four situations cited, one of which is
“You can leave the house for any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person”
Ginger’s dad is allowed to attend hospital for an appointment, and being 80 years of age with
glaucoma I think he fits the criteria of “a vulnerable person”. That being the case it would
be perfectly reasonable for Ginger to assist and take him to hospital. There is no provision
mentioned saying that the person assisting should not be related, which would make no sense.
It’s the same criteria used by Dominic Cummings, albeit different in as far as it was his
infant child, which has been backed by the PM as being a reasonable and lawful decision.As I’ve already admitted, I’m unsure about where we are going with this, probably not helped
by the fact that my son, a 40 year old BA pilot (or he is at the moment) living in London, has
the virus and although he has self isolated he has had some scary moments, including paramedics
being called. His oxygen levels were slightly lower than they should have been so he was touch
and go whether to be hospitalised or not. He decided to stay at home with his partner, but his
recovery has been up and down over 6 weeks with symptoms ranging from feeling generally very
unwell, stomach problems muscle aches and even tinnitus for a short period. He has friends in
the medical profession who told him as a pilot travelling far and wide and through numerous
airports he was more or less guaranteed to get the virus. He was a very fit 40 year old, and
is only showing good improvement after 6 weeks, so it’s not just people of my age (64) or older
with health problems that fall victim to this virus.Hopefully the virus will continue on a downward curve and we can get back to some sense of normality,
or they manage to produce a vacine, which will no doubt bring about a new bone of contention as to
whether it’s safe or even required.Stay safe
Boris Johnson should be removed for failing to sack Dominic.
This clown should never have been allowed to be in charge of our country in the first place. He simply has to go now. Enough is enough.
I certainly wouldn’t lose sleep over either of them getting their marching orders Robbo
I’ve never clapped. My neighbours all clap. They had a street get together on VE Day which involved karaoke and everyone sitting in one garden with a younger neighbour who has had many visitors standing on his doorstep for an hour at a time that have certainly not been 6ft away. Over the past week they’ve had a constant stream of visitors who have been in the back garden and most likely in the house. All the other neighbours are very high risk. We stayed in the house. We have self isolated for 10 weeks; we did so before lockdown as we could see what was coming. My daughter, who lives in the next village, set up a covid support group at that time to help vulnerable people to self isolate. Our thoughts were that, although we weren’t massively high risk we were vulnerable because of our age and, by protecting ourselves we were also taking pressure off the NHS by doing so.The only time we’ve ventured outside of our village was to rush the dog to the vets because she hurt her leg; I still feel sick at the thought that we had to do so, having been so careful up to that point. Johnson locked down the country two weeks too late. Even now he’s talking about re opening more shops but not making mask wearing mandatory in public places which would not only protect the shoppers but the staff in the shops; bus drivers etc etc. I’m disgusted by the attitude of Cummings and his puppet Johnson. Even yesterday all Johnson could do was tell people to wash their hands. Is it any wonder the death rate in this country is so high?
@BigG
Graham so sorry to hear that your son is having so much trouble shaking off the virus. I know you mentioned he had it on our Meydan Thread but didn’t realise how badly. I really think people are getting too complacent about how serious this really is..
@Moe
Here here Moe good post reflecting the fears at the heart of our community during lockdown.
The inmates are certainly running the Asylums in UK and USA
Dominic Cummings must do the right thing and resign. He seemingly lied about his visit to Barnard Castle saying it was to test his eye sight for the drive home when in fact he had packed a picnic for a day out for his wife’s birthday.
Surely best friend Boris would have sent a private car to bring him home if things had got that bad.
Boris Johnson should take his own advice come clean and wash his hands of Dominic Cummings before the country wash their hands of him.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...This clown should never have been allowed to be in charge of our country in the first place.
I presume you mean Boris although it seems to be Cummings in charge of the country
It’s the same criteria used by Dominic Cummings, albeit different in as far as it was his infant child, which has been backed by the PM as being a reasonable and lawful decision.
When asked by a journalist at one of these Coronavirus updates what happens if both parents become ill with a young child, one minister (can’t remember which one) said you must stay at home. There are support systems in place to take care of you and your child(ren) referring them to telephone their local authority. Why didn’t Mr Cummings do this?
I hope your son recovers soon BigG. Sounds bloody awful.
at the end of it, Robbo. Not a serious question. Doesn’t mean that I think anyone should be stopped from going to hospital even if they make other people’s risk of getting the virus a lot greater. Everyone should be allowed to go to hospital. Just asking the question so that people might think of the consequences of their beliefs. Beliefs that they/you are of course fully entitled.
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