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Run/shouldn’t run what a load of BS.
The only one that can say whether he should run or not is BOS himself.
The horse obviously loves what he doing and after his run in the Lexus he could hardly be decribed as an OAP ready to retire.
Why is running him in the national any different than sending him to say Cheltenham?.
If he doesn’t like Aintree he will quickly let his pilot know. His pilot is not a stupid man and he will do what’s best for the orse onn the day.
Of course that’s not a big concern as the horse has only faied to finish a handful of times in his whole career.
As far as him not staying well it must be a different BOS, who was finishing every bit as well as Denman in the lexus, than the BOS I know.
I said in an earlier post I thought this was the year of the top weights. Nothing would please the public more than him running a big race and if he won it would raise the roof at Aintree.
He were mine and he was well, I wouldn’t hesitate in running him.
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yes but for such a great horse as beef or salmon, connections should be happy with all that he has achieved and all the money he has made them
Alan Potts horse Salute made him £500
Should he not run him again and retire him now???
if beef ran in the national, i would support him and shout him on til the end. but remember, this horse isnt the best of jumpers. he has already come back once after a career threatning fall.
Now take it from my position. Or the nuemerous others who love this horse. Do we really want to see 1 of irelands gratest ever chasers take the risk of running in this race when he is clearly past his best, and is probably unsuited to the race. All people have their favorites, and most would agree that they wouldnt like to see theirs run in such circumstances
What has Kauto got to do with it Charlie? He has never been rated as a poor jumper by Timeform. In fact quite the oppisite.
There is a rule that if the authorities think a horse is a bad jumper they can refuse to let it run in the National. Therefore these three should be stopped from running.
Why Aintree and not Cheltenham? Foinnavon, Paddys Return, the race is known primarily as a test of jumping ability. If a horse is rated by a respected unbiased organisation as being a poor jumper then it should not run. It is not a question of BOS not liking Aintree Fist it is a matter of him (and the other two mentioned) ending up on the floor, and bringing others down with them.
Fist why do you always have to abuse anyone that disagrees with you? Opinions are what the game is about.
Value Is EverythingWhat has Kauto got to do with it Charlie? He has never been rated as a poor jumper by Timeform. In fact quite the oppisite.
There is a rule that if the authorities think a horse is a bad jumper they can refuse to let it run in the National. Therefore these three should be stopped from running.
Why Aintree and not Cheltenham? Foinnavon, Paddys Return, the race is known primarily as a test of jumping ability. If a horse is rated by a respected unbiased organisation as being a poor jumper then it should not run. It is not a question of BOS not liking Aintree Fist it is a matter of him (and the other two mentioned) ending up on the floor, and bringing others down with them.
Fist why do you always have to abuse anyone that disagrees with you? Opinions are what the game is about.
Do you hang on every word Timeform say?
Why is Beef Or Salmon such a bad jumper? He’s certainly not bad enough to be stopped from running in anything. Start doing that and the whole sport becomes a nanny sport farce.
Like I said I could understand if a horse falls 75% of the time and can’t jump his own shadow.
What has Kauto got to do with it Charlie? He has never been rated as a poor jumper by Timeform. In fact quite the oppisite.
So you reckon Kauto Stars jumping was sound last season and Timeform are the best judges of everything horsey
give me a break FFS Ginger
Shaun
i can see nothing i say will change your emotional mindset, so no point trying
All the best fella
Kauto Star is an exceptionally good jumper of all but the last two fences, possibly when distracted by the crowd noise.
Timeform sometimes get it wrong as we all do, but it is very easy to see a poor jumper.
Value Is EverythingWhat has Kauto got to do with it Charlie? He has never been rated as a poor jumper by Timeform. In fact quite the oppisite.
There is a rule that if the authorities think a horse is a bad jumper they can refuse to let it run in the National. Therefore these three should be stopped from running.
Why Aintree and not Cheltenham? Foinnavon, Paddys Return, the race is known primarily as a test of jumping ability. If a horse is rated by a respected unbiased organisation as being a poor jumper then it should not run. It is not a question of BOS not liking Aintree Fist it is a matter of him (and the other two mentioned) ending up on the floor, and bringing others down with them.
Fist why do you always have to abuse anyone that disagrees with you? Opinions are what the game is about.
I am sorry if you think saying something is BS is being abusive. It is only an opinion after all…….I would have thought you would be used to the term by now
It wasn’t aimed directly at you anyway it was in general to emphasis how much rubbish is written about the national a race that has changed from the days when it was downright dangerous.
You are talking about Beef or Salmon like he was a horse that is lileky to fall and be a danger to everyone. Considering he has ran in around 40 chases and fallen once , like a million years ago, that’s about as near to BS as you can get. Little X’s from time form can’t change the facts something you are completely ignoring. Opinions are one thing but it helps if the think before you say really stupid things.
A poor jumper can get away with more on conventional tracks. I would say his chances of getting round are no better than around 3/1. He seems to make mistakes on just about every run.
Stupid Fist? Stupid? Kettle and Pot spring to mind. You got a monopoly mate.
Value Is EverythingWhat has Kauto got to do with it Charlie? He has never been rated as a poor jumper by Timeform. In fact quite the oppisite.
So you reckon Kauto Stars jumping was sound last season and Timeform are the best judges of everything horsey
give me a break FFS Ginger
Shaun
i can see nothing i say will change your emotional mindset, so no point trying
All the best fella
Fair enough mate, i suppose there is a lot of biase on my part
Some horses would have your heart in your mouth when you watch them but seldom actually fall.
Beef or Salmon falls into that category but just because the Aintree fences are bigger does it mean he’s going to fall. Each horse has his own style of jumping and they jump what they see in front of them. They don’t jump 4ft 6" high when they come to The Chair they jump 6ft high.
Many times horses you think are sure to fall, jump the course no problem, while many great jumpers of park courses fail to complete.
It would be a brave man who would say BOS will definately fall. It would be a silly one who said I told you so if he did, as any horse can fall.
Even Dessie fell a couple of times and he was a brilliant jumper. Mill House never touched a twig in his race and he fell at Cheltenham and Red Maurader was an accident waiting to happen but won the National.
Only way you can tell how they will jump Aintree is send them there.
Beef Or Salmon might get round I just think the probability of falling means it would be wise not to let him run.
It is quite easy to predict who is not going to get around with about 80% accuracy. The only two winners I can remember thinking won’t finish were Maori Venture and Red Marauder.Value Is EverythingBeef or Salmon falls into that category but just because the Aintree fences are bigger does it mean he’s going to fall.
Hes a deliberate jumper at best and needs a sluggish pace.He goes through the top of fences quite often too. One thing that hasnt always been mentioned is that i think he maybe a slightly nervous horse who isnt perhaps at his best in big fields.
If hes bang there at the last, then he could have a chance even with his weight, but i think that would be very suprising and i wish they werent racing him in it
Have I missed it or has somebody on this thread actually given some credit to The Listener and his connections on their victory?
I’m in no way saying that he is a threat to KS or Denman in a true run race but his record in Irish Grade 1 chases is superb.
Well done to all and I hope Robert is continuing his recovery.
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