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I would be shocked too, Jack, so your words in JG’s ear
But good old Lady Bamford owns KOC, were you confused by the similar colours, or is she tied with Qatar Racing?
Confused by the colours haha! Didn’t even realise that, silly me!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Ginge, do you agree with TFs stance that TDH is back to 127ish? Personally can’t have that myself on the back of Sundays run.
Yes, I totally agree with the 127, Kev.
In rating Too Darn Hot as running to 2yo form, Timeform did not need to rate 2nd or 3rd as improving on their Group 3/2 form. Space Blues exactly the same rating as the Jersey at Royal Ascot, Fox Champion as running to his best previous rating too (German Guineas) – just 1 lb more than they rated his 4.65 lengths 7th in the St James’s Palace.As I’d expect of a 7f truly run race on goodish ground; the Jean Prat seems to be rated at 3 lbs per length. On basic reading of winning distances TDH’s performance would imo be 126. However, given ease of victory (could’ve won by another neck had he been asked) plus the sectional times (particularly impressive between the 2 and 1f), and then there’s the 127 two year old rating… Which all added together strongly suggests worth a 1 lb upgrade. The Timeform rating is after all, about what they believe each horse is capable of given optimum conditions next time out, and I agree he’ll probably be running to 127.
Value Is EverythingI don’t follow TF figs but it sounds like Space Blues’ Jersey run is too high & FC SJP run is slightly high also in my view.
Don’t buy into that Space Traveller has jumped up to 116 to beat 115 Space Blues in the Jersey. More likely for me that run was a good bit below that and SB has increased his run slightly again behind TDH.
SJP it paid to be on the pace IIRC – FC was and that helped his position.
Timeform don’t rate the Jersey form anywhere near as highly as recent renewals either. eg Space Traveller’s rating well below Expert Eye’s. That said, although 25/1 and improved from anything he’d done before; this was the first time Space Traveller had been dropped out the back off a strong pace over 7f before. So some reason for improvement, although I agree may well be flattered by the result – at least until having a similarly run race. Wouldn’t be surprised if will also prove yet another Ascot specialist too. However, take him out and the rest were pretty much how you could expect… Space Blues beating Angel’s Hidaway and Urban Icon. If rating Angel’s Hidaway as running to 1000 Guineas form and/or Urban Icon on his neck second to Space Blues at Epsom… those two could be rated higher and as a result the Jersey could be rated higher; but wisely both rated as being below their bests. Space Traveller is rated lower than the five previous Jersey winners. But in finishing closer to the winner than most Jersey seconds Space Blues is rated better than all bar one of the Jersey seconds in that time.
You’re right the SJP pace suited the front runner Circus Maximus in the SJP, but that does not mean it suited all prominent runners. Timeform Timefigure not far off the Timeform rating; ie pretty much equal fractions. Winner received a perfect ride, strong enough to bring his own stamina in to play without going too fast. Lessening the speed attributes of both Too Darn Hot and King Of Comedy. Although latter more inconvenienced by a troubled run through. Fox Champion ran prominently but did not imo get any advantage, having to take on those better horses (Circus Maximus and Phoenix Of Spain) earlier than others who finished around him.
Value Is EverythingWhy are both horses shortening now?
I can’t find anything concrete
Perhaps it’s something to do with a forfeit stage? Only having a look at the market + there are horses with no prices now? Can’t be sure Hein as BHA like to hide a lot of this kind of stuff.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!There’s just been a declaration stage, Hein. Not just the front two shortening as others have come out.
Too Darn Hot is amongst 20 left in, but has also been handed an entry in the Sprint Cup.Value Is EverythingPleased that I held off with Sir Dancealot, as he’s been taken out.
That’s probably enough for me to hold off altogether with this one till the Five Day Decs, but these make the shortlist just now….
Never No More 20’s
Romanised 20’s
Accidental Agent 25’s
Advertise 40’sI’m tempted by that 40’s on Advertise, despite obvious questions over the trip, but reluctantly holding off for now. Might learn more on Saturday.
40’s has gone on Advertise today, no doubt I’ll be kicking myself tomorrow. I hovered this morning, but completely missed it.
I’ve left it for now.
The King is shortening almost every day with most firms, PP even has 6/4
Hope this is really a good sign, and not one of those traps..With good sign I of course meant the former, that he is shortening in general.
To be more precise, I hope they anticipate he will be running, ideally with good old Frankie on topIt’s not going to be a very good Sussex by the look of it, also seems unclear whose going to run so no antipost bet for me in this and I’ll be looking for something at longer odds as potentially anything can win this. I backed KOC at 40/1 for the St James Palace before his Heron Stakes run but in the end I was left a bit disappointed with his run there. It was the worst SJP for a while and there’s no guarantee at all that KOC will improve on that run and he might have found his level now after 3 runs this season. Certainly not for me at that price, it’s crazy. Does look like he will at least be running though with TDH staying in France.
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