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So after TDH win today, JG said “An easy, flat mile would be no problem“. And that he’ll go to the Jaques LM or Sussex next. Well goodwoods not a flat track is it? So he’s pointing at the JLM right, based on that thinking?
Was a really weak race today, nothing was capable of putting too darn hot out of his comfort zone
Happy to take him on wherever he goes
Frenchy, I’d say they will go for the French race but Goodwood track is more a speed test than a stamina one imo
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Goodwood is certainly more of a speed test than Ascot or the Curragh. There’s no doubting Space Blues and Fox Champion aren’t Group 1 horses and that today was a Group 1 in name only, saying that he’s not exactly scraped home, he’s thrashed them in the style of a horse at least a grade above them and they are probably up to winning a Group 3 in UK at some stage (I know Fox Champion’s won a German G2 already). We don’t really know what the crack is with Magna Grecia/Phoenix Of Spain in terms of how strong the 2000 Guineas’ were, we do know the older milers are all about as good as each other and historically they’d be pretty ordinary, bordering on Group 2 horses that are winning the Group 1’s. Saying all that Too Darn Hot had every chance in a pretty poor St James Palace, as bad as last years for me, where they didn’t go a break neck gallop and he was in a much better position than his stablemate who has flown home. He was a bit keen but he was like that a lot at 2 so I don’t think stamina is the problem. They can’t seriously be telling us he won over a mile at 2 but he barely stays it as an older horse. I just get the feeling his sort of 115 rating he now has before his win today might be as good as he is at 3 regardless of the trip. Ironically that’s only 1lb below King Of Comedy who has a lot more scope having only run in the single Group 1.
Well, Too Damn Hot has shortened now for today’s giant performance
, but King Of Comedy isn’t drifting at all; however I’m on KOC anyway. My only worry is still his own trainer (sorry Jack), that Gosden plays another one of his wicked games running TDH here finally and therefore pulling KOC out. Really hope we don’t have to experience this 
I’m not an expert on the English schedule, so what are the options available for TDH + KOC that they could possibly collide in? The Sussex and the Jacques Marois are the two i’ve heard? Am i missing any?
If not, i can’t see why they’d risk a hothead like KOC over in France for the first time, over TDH who has proven he can take the travelling? Would be a strange one! Unless they can run TDH in the Sussex and still run KOC somewhere in England?
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Sure Jack, but I didn’t mean and didn’t talk about colliding in France or anywhere.
My wish and priority would just be that Gosden allows KOC to show up here no matter where the opera horse will be heading.That wasn’t meant directly at you Hein, i just mean in general, what are the other options for them bar France or Sussex. It seems like one would go to each race surely rather than collide in the Sussex? I guess they raced eachother at Ascot so it’s possible!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!They both ran in the same race at Royal Ascot so could potentially clash again
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Okay guys, so everything is possible.
For me KOC is still strongly developing and has the chance to turn out to become the best 3y of this often disappointing season full of catastrophes (news on Sea Of Class the latest and biggest one), but we will also find out later.
Good night, I have to rest from German derby day now
Goodwood maybe a test of speed but it’s also not a flat track. Surely not even JG can say I need to run TDH on a flat track and then he turns up at Goodwood? Seems likely from those comments (and we do all know to be careful with what he says!) but TDH goes to JLM and KOC to the Sussex. Makes sense. That is it over a mile I think Jack then until Champions Day.
I hope you are right, Frenchy.
Gosden’s communication is indeed extremely chaotic, tricky and confused, sometimes his statements are even more odd than O’Brien’s and he is never to trust (I dared mention this earlier, and that was no bashing, just the truth, Jack).
If it really pans out as Frenchy said it would be a fair solution and probably the best for all.I think it’s fairly simple. What Gosden means is, TDH would like an easy flat mile. ie Goodwood would be perfect in that it’s the easiest/quickest Group 1 mile anywhere. Trouble is it’s undulating, so it’s a matter of do they go to the easiest mile and hope he handles the undulations?… Or do they go for the slightly harder mile to get the flat surface in the Marois? That’s the decision to make.
tbh Sussex Stakes looks between the Gosden duo… And although it’s true they met in the St James’s Palace, at that time of year three year old colts only had the one option. Where as now they’re in open age events there’s more than one option and Gosden’s record in such races suggests he’ll split his best horses. Which one will run imo depends on who’s going best at home. But if both are going equally as well, I’d expect (for the reason Jack says – being a hothead) King Of Comedy to run here and TDH in France. The Marois comes around 10 days after the Sussex. Presumably he’d be taking on Persian King there? Another option for Too Darn Hot given he’s just proven very effective at 7f – is the Maurice De Gheest the sunday after the Sussex, at 6 1/2.
In hindsight, looking not only at Too Darn Hot’s form but also how he raced: As a two year old he’d shown a terrific turn of foot in beating the likes of subsequent Commonwealth Cup winner Advertise and Irish Guineas winner Phoenix Of Spain. That TOF was in evidence at york – only horse to erode the gap to get anywhere near the prominently ridden Telecaster – before faltering in the final furlong; not staying. But in both the Irish Guineas and SJP that turn of foot was missing. For whatever reason – maybe race came too soon or just not yet at his best – reason doesn’t matter. What imo does matter is that turn of foot was back with a bang at Deauville. It’s true Space Blues is not a Group 1 winning horse, but he was beaten easily and by 3 lengths. On both form and demeanor Too Darn Hot is now imo as good as he was at two.
But although KOC is imo slightly more likely to run, not enough for me to risk a bet at this stage.
Value Is EverythingTDH handled the dip at Newmarket so i don’t see why Goodwood would cause any problems?
Hein, bare in mind that it’s not just Gosden doing the steering on targets here. There is a racing manager to the Opera outfit, who Gosden keeps referring to as a part to blame for the season to date.
There’s also the Moulin in September over a mile, just to make you aware Frenchy
TDH still has a temperament question to answer for me. He was too good for them at Deauville just like he was all of last season. When it comes to battling, he’s very much got questions to answer.
Ginge, do you agree with TFs stance that TDH is back to 127ish? Personally can’t have that myself on the back of Sundays run.
I like the idea of the race over 6.5f for him myself GT..
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Yes Kev, Gosden’s communication could be better itself to say the least, but you are probably right about this racing manager. This is an essential part of my worries, I’m afraid they will put pressure on JG to run TDH here to increase his value as a stallion. Then Gosden would almost be forced to pull KOC out and look elsewhere for him, as I agree with Ginger that we won’t see both of them running here.
Perhaps and probably it was a bit early to place a substantial bet on King Of Comedy in this unclear situation, but I am still convinced he is the best horse here and deserves to prove so.
Now I and the other KOC supporters must sweat until the decision comes, but I still hope it turns out positive
I’d be very shocked if KOC didn’t come here Hein, they have to make a stallion out of him as well! TDH has 3 options whereas, KOC has two, but as i said yesterday, with his temperament, more like 1 option, here!
Qatar Racing are everybit as powerful as the opera crew i imagine!
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!
, but King Of Comedy isn’t drifting at all; however I’m on KOC anyway. My only worry is still his own trainer (sorry Jack), that Gosden plays another one of his wicked games running TDH here finally and therefore pulling KOC out. Really hope we don’t have to experience this 
and he is never to trust (I dared mention this earlier, and that was no bashing, just the truth, Jack).
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