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  • #1288908
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    One dimensional surrender monkey

    #1288948
    hayper
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    It looked to me like Charli Parcs had some issues during the race (maybe tomorrow we will know something more), horses are not machines…Whatever has happened, one thing I liked, he was staying again before falling. I don’t believe that MBE improved to much to reverse the form with Charli Parcs from their last run. Hopefully Charli will back on track very soon. I still think it’s plenty to come from this horse, we will see… :scratch:

    #1288951
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    Another Saturday passes and so the Supreme market goes into disarray again. There was some proper bang drumming going on from Charli Parcs fans… now is that a pin I hear dropping?

    They should do what’s best for the horse and that would be to avoid Cheltenham this year, he’s only 4 and still has a bright future ahead.

    #1288962
    stilvi
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    It looked to me like Charli Parcs had some issues during the race (maybe tomorrow we will know something more), horses are not machines…Whatever has happened, one thing I liked, he was staying again before falling. I don’t believe that MBE improved to much to reverse the form with Charli Parcs from their last run. Hopefully Charli will back on track very soon. I still think it’s plenty to come from this horse, we will see… :scratch:

    I think it was a combination of Master Blueyes improving and Charli Parcs regressing from the first time they met.

    #1288985
    JonnyLitts
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    Hi everyone, been lurking for about a week now so this is my first post.

    Watched the race yesterday. Thought CP was boxed in and couldn’t get into a rhythm. He was held up and wide in his last race so was able to run his own race.

    Yesterday was a different story. BG had to try and get him going as he couldn’t get into a rhythm, hence why he looked under pressure. However, when he saw daylight, I thought he improved and apart from that fall, I think he might well have gone on to win it.

    Was far from an impressive performance but there are mitigating circumstances for him.

    Is he ready to win a supreme, I doubt it. He’ll have the same treatment, being boxed in and suffer the same fate.

    After yesterday’s performance this race is blown wide open (again).

    #1288998
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    Hi everyone, been lurking for about a week now so this is my first post.

    Watched the race yesterday. Thought CP was boxed in and couldn’t get into a rhythm. He was held up and wide in his last race so was able to run his own race.

    Yesterday was a different story. BG had to try and get him going as he couldn’t get into a rhythm, hence why he looked under pressure. However, when he saw daylight, I thought he improved and apart from that fall, I think he might well have gone on to win it.

    Was far from an impressive performance but there are mitigating circumstances for him.

    Is he ready to win a supreme, I doubt it. He’ll have the same treatment, being boxed in and suffer the same fate.

    After yesterday’s performance this race is blown wide open (again).

    Welcome Litts, and I think that’s a pretty fair summing up. I also
    agree with you that had CP stayed on his feet he would have won, he
    looked to be picking up well before he came down. As to where he goes
    from here I’m not sure, I would want to hear some very positive vibes
    from his camp before I’d part with cash. I think there’s more to come
    from him, I’m just not sure it will be this season.

    #1289004
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    Hi everyone, been lurking for about a week now so this is my first post.

    Watched the race yesterday. Thought CP was boxed in and couldn’t get into a rhythm. He was held up and wide in his last race so was able to run his own race.

    Yesterday was a different story. BG had to try and get him going as he couldn’t get into a rhythm, hence why he looked under pressure. However, when he saw daylight, I thought he improved and apart from that fall, I think he might well have gone on to win it.

    Was far from an impressive performance but there are mitigating circumstances for him.

    Is he ready to win a supreme, I doubt it. He’ll have the same treatment, being boxed in and suffer the same fate.

    After yesterday’s performance this race is blown wide open (again).

    Welcome Litts, and I think that’s a pretty fair summing up. I also
    agree with you that had CP stayed on his feet he would have won, he
    looked to be picking up well before he came down. As to where he goes
    from here I’m not sure, I would want to hear some very positive vibes
    from his camp before I’d part with cash. I think there’s more to come
    from him, I’m just not sure it will be this season.

    There is 0 chance he would have won if he stayed on his feet, MBE had him well beaten, it was a tired fall….. id be worried if he could reverse the form with MBE yesterday he looked to have improved a great deal, he travelled all over CP

    #1289013
    Avatar photoBigG
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    Hi everyone, been lurking for about a week now so this is my first post.

    Watched the race yesterday. Thought CP was boxed in and couldn’t get into a rhythm. He was held up and wide in his last race so was able to run his own race.

    Yesterday was a different story. BG had to try and get him going as he couldn’t get into a rhythm, hence why he looked under pressure. However, when he saw daylight, I thought he improved and apart from that fall, I think he might well have gone on to win it.

    Was far from an impressive performance but there are mitigating circumstances for him.

    Is he ready to win a supreme, I doubt it. He’ll have the same treatment, being boxed in and suffer the same fate.

    After yesterday’s performance this race is blown wide open (again).

    Welcome Litts, and I think that’s a pretty fair summing up. I also
    agree with you that had CP stayed on his feet he would have won, he
    looked to be picking up well before he came down. As to where he goes
    from here I’m not sure, I would want to hear some very positive vibes
    from his camp before I’d part with cash. I think there’s more to come
    from him, I’m just not sure it will be this season.

    There is 0 chance he would have won if he stayed on his feet, MBE had him well beaten, it was a tired fall….. id be worried if he could reverse the form with MBE yesterday he looked to have improved a great deal, he travelled all over CP

    It’s just as well we’re allowed to have our own opinions on here, otherwise
    it would be a back slapping excercise. I understand why you take your view Ham,
    he didn’t look that impressive during the race, he had to be cajoled along
    throughout and didn’t settle, I think his inexperience showed. To my eye the
    only time he looked to be more settled was when he eventually saw daylight just
    before the 2nd last. What I don’t agree with you was that it was a tired fall,
    but that’s just my take on it. The impression I got, from watching it several
    times, was that he would have run on, based on what he’s shown before, and my
    gut feeling, I think he would have picked up well and run on. It’s not a disagreement
    that can be resolved, we just don’t know how it would have turned out. I just
    hope he’s okay and goes on to show he’s a decent horse, but as I said, I’m not
    sure it will be this season.

    #1289021
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Welcome to TRF, Litts :good:

    #1289024
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    Graham, worth a rewatch I think with concentration solely on MB. He travelled like an absolute dream throughout. Wasn’t that clever at the last two but once he was rebalanced he shot clear and won with a ton in hand.

    #1289030
    ham
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    Hi everyone, been lurking for about a week now so this is my first post.

    Watched the race yesterday. Thought CP was boxed in and couldn’t get into a rhythm. He was held up and wide in his last race so was able to run his own race.

    Yesterday was a different story. BG had to try and get him going as he couldn’t get into a rhythm, hence why he looked under pressure. However, when he saw daylight, I thought he improved and apart from that fall, I think he might well have gone on to win it.

    Was far from an impressive performance but there are mitigating circumstances for him.

    Is he ready to win a supreme, I doubt it. He’ll have the same treatment, being boxed in and suffer the same fate.

    After yesterday’s performance this race is blown wide open (again).

    Welcome Litts, and I think that’s a pretty fair summing up. I also
    agree with you that had CP stayed on his feet he would have won, he
    looked to be picking up well before he came down. As to where he goes
    from here I’m not sure, I would want to hear some very positive vibes
    from his camp before I’d part with cash. I think there’s more to come
    from him, I’m just not sure it will be this season.

    There is 0 chance he would have won if he stayed on his feet, MBE had him well beaten, it was a tired fall….. id be worried if he could reverse the form with MBE yesterday he looked to have improved a great deal, he travelled all over CP

    It’s just as well we’re allowed to have our own opinions on here, otherwise
    it would be a back slapping excercise. I understand why you take your view Ham,
    he didn’t look that impressive during the race, he had to be cajoled along
    throughout and didn’t settle, I think his inexperience showed. To my eye the
    only time he looked to be more settled was when he eventually saw daylight just
    before the 2nd last. What I don’t agree with you was that it was a tired fall,
    but that’s just my take on it. The impression I got, from watching it several
    times, was that he would have run on, based on what he’s shown before, and my
    gut feeling, I think he would have picked up well and run on. It’s not a disagreement
    that can be resolved, we just don’t know how it would have turned out. I just
    hope he’s okay and goes on to show he’s a decent horse, but as I said, I’m not
    sure it will be this season.

    Certainly, not knocking anyones opinions atall,its a what could have happened situation and your right he did look most comfortable when he got daylight, but it looked a tired fall, MBE travelled strongly even with some errors he picked up and flew clear….. like i said yesterday CP is obviously a smart horse, but ill be staggered if they take him to cheltenham,put him away for the summer hopefully and one for next year/season

    MBE looks pretty smart, improving each race

    #1289032
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    And, welcome Litts: nice post

    #1289035
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    Hi everyone, been lurking for about a week now so this is my first post.

    Watched the race yesterday. Thought CP was boxed in and couldn’t get into a rhythm. He was held up and wide in his last race so was able to run his own race.

    Yesterday was a different story. BG had to try and get him going as he couldn’t get into a rhythm, hence why he looked under pressure. However, when he saw daylight, I thought he improved and apart from that fall, I think he might well have gone on to win it.

    Was far from an impressive performance but there are mitigating circumstances for him.

    Is he ready to win a supreme, I doubt it. He’ll have the same treatment, being boxed in and suffer the same fate.

    After yesterday’s performance this race is blown wide open (again).

    Welcome Litts, and I think that’s a pretty fair summing up. I also
    agree with you that had CP stayed on his feet he would have won, he
    looked to be picking up well before he came down. As to where he goes
    from here I’m not sure, I would want to hear some very positive vibes
    from his camp before I’d part with cash. I think there’s more to come
    from him, I’m just not sure it will be this season.

    There is 0 chance he would have won if he stayed on his feet, MBE had him well beaten, it was a tired fall….. id be worried if he could reverse the form with MBE yesterday he looked to have improved a great deal, he travelled all over CP

    It’s just as well we’re allowed to have our own opinions on here, otherwise
    it would be a back slapping excercise. I understand why you take your view Ham,
    he didn’t look that impressive during the race, he had to be cajoled along
    throughout and didn’t settle, I think his inexperience showed. To my eye the
    only time he looked to be more settled was when he eventually saw daylight just
    before the 2nd last. What I don’t agree with you was that it was a tired fall,
    but that’s just my take on it. The impression I got, from watching it several
    times, was that he would have run on, based on what he’s shown before, and my
    gut feeling, I think he would have picked up well and run on. It’s not a disagreement
    that can be resolved, we just don’t know how it would have turned out. I just
    hope he’s okay and goes on to show he’s a decent horse, but as I said, I’m not
    sure it will be this season.

    Certainly, not knocking anyones opinions atall,its a what could have happened situation and your right he did look most comfortable when he got daylight, but it looked a tired fall, MBE travelled strongly even with some errors he picked up and flew clear….. like i said yesterday CP is obviously a smart horse, but ill be staggered if they take him to cheltenham,put him away for the summer hopefully and one for next year/season

    MBE looks pretty smart, improving each race

    I thought it was lucky because Charli Parcs would surely have beaten it if it had stood up

    Fair play to the King horse but I wouldn’t be touching this one at cheltenham personally

    #1289043
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    Graham, worth a rewatch I think with concentration solely on MB. He travelled like an absolute dream throughout. Wasn’t that clever at the last two but once he was rebalanced he shot clear and won with a ton in hand.

    No doubt about it Joe, it was a fairly impressive run from MB. You’re right, I maybe
    did concentrate more on CP during the race, but was impressed with the way MB finished,
    he looks very decent. I’m just a bit disappointed that CP didn’t stay on his feet, we
    would have learned a lot more, although there certainly are question marks about him
    now. I hope there’s a lot more to come from him, he had looked very promising.

    #1289073
    JonnyLitts
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    Welcome to TRF, Litts :good:

    Thanks :good:

    It seems like there’s loads of knowledgeable people on here, I look forward to adding to it.

    #1289074
    JonnyLitts
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    And, welcome Litts: nice post

    Thanks :good:

    #1289081
    hayper
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    Fair play to the King horse but I wouldn’t be touching this one at cheltenham personally

    :good:

    Very often appearances are deceptive… I advise to watch Christmas Hurdle, just assume Yanworth have has fallen 2 out (moment where he was staying again after being off the bridle) and try to think where this horse would have finished having not fallen… (we all know the fact that Yanworth stayed really well and won going away from The New One). Abut ChP we don’t know, we can just guess…I just know it was about 20lb difference between ChP and MBE on their penultimate performance.
    This year’s Supreme doesn’t look the strongest event, seeing Ballyandy as a third horse in the betting 5/1, Melon as a fav, I don’t want watch this race haha. I hope ground won’t be too quick and Neon Wolf will go here. I haven’t backed him, but like this horse much.

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