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I think that Zelzal would of won this race no danger, I know he flopped in the guineas but there are many factors to that loss, he should of ran in this!
Trainer said that Awtaad needed better ground. I suppose he could be right seeing that the Irish 2000 was on yielding ground (whats that? good to soft here?) and it is real soft ground at Ascot.
I overlooked that but was put off enough to have a bet anyway.
Trainer said that Awtaad needed better ground. I suppose he could be right seeing that the Irish 2000 was on yielding ground (whats that? good to soft here?) and it is real soft ground at Ascot.
I overlooked that but was put off enough to have a bet anyway.
The Irish Guineas was won in a time 9 seconds above standard compared with todays 4 seconds above standard. I don’t see how Awtaad needs faster ground, for me it looks like he needs a bog.
Poor race, none are superstars just a bad era for flat racing currently but hopefully with all the Frankels there is some superstars to come. Caravaggio is a monster and so is Cunco at the moment. Tepins performance was excellent but that also was a very weak field.
Once again Frankie rode em to sleep!!
Don’t know what race you were watching Gore but Moore ran into a gap that closed and had to switch around Awtaad.
Frankie got first run and that was the difference!! NUFF SAID!!
And by the way I am not talking out of my pocket here as I didn’t have a bet in the race.
No horse could make up ground that quickly on that bad ground today, The Gurkha did very well to get as close as he did. He lost significant momentum when he was checked, it took him 10 strides to regain his momentum, by which time he had lost a length against Awtaad, when he should have been making up a length (based on the momentum he regained), he should have finished 2L ahead of Awtaad which would have made him the winner. Ryan was just hands and heels before he was checked, perhaps riding him too confidently given he had ground to make up and what can go wrong. If the horse hadn’t made a mess of the start and he hadn’t been checked, he would have won easily.
By the way, there’s a lot of talk about Churchill who may turn up in the Chesham. If so, watch out Cunco!
Seems odd to me that GG is still being denied the credit even after the race.
He won the Gns in the style of a good horse, had little luck in Ireland, and won convincingly today. He’s contested 4 Grade Ones, won two, was an arguably unlucky 2nd and a fast finishing 3rd in France.
I suspect he’s a good deal better than he’s getting credit for. I’d be interested to see Mike’s speed figures on him.
Seems odd to me that GG is still being denied the credit even after the race.
He won the Gns in the style of a good horse, had little luck in Ireland, and won convincingly today. He’s contested 4 Grade Ones, won two, was an arguably unlucky 2nd and a fast finishing 3rd in France.
I suspect he’s a good deal better than he’s getting credit for. I’d be interested to see Mike’s speed figures on him.
What do want people to say? He wasn’t unlucky in Ireland and he won today because the favourite was too far off the pace.
If I were you I would be running out to buy a lottery ticket.
Seems odd to me that GG is still being denied the credit even after the race.
He won the Gns in the style of a good horse, had little luck in Ireland, and won convincingly today. He’s contested 4 Grade Ones, won two, was an arguably unlucky 2nd and a fast finishing 3rd in France.
I suspect he’s a good deal better than he’s getting credit for. I’d be interested to see Mike’s speed figures on him.
What do want people to say? He wasn’t unlucky in Ireland and he won today because the favourite was too far off the pace.
If I were you I would be running out to buy a lottery ticket.
Well, you didn’t think he could win and you’ve obviously now decided that, rather than the possibility of you being wrong, he didn’t deserve to win. If I’m running down the road for my lottery ticket, I’ll be sure to wave to you on your way to the poorhouse.
People need to learn how to read a race better.
Galileo Gold wasn’t unlucky in Ireland and The Gurkha wasn’t unlucky today.
That’s racing, it just doesn’t pan out as people expect sometimes.
Galileo Gold did me a favour in the Newmarket Guineas but I took him on based on value over in Ireland. I didn’t fancy him today based on the going mostly and feeling the other two had more scope for improvement.
Anyone taking odds on in a race this tight should be seeing a Psychiatrist rather than blaming jockeys.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Haven’t seen any analysis of sectionals to confirm, but from what I saw didn’t look a slow pace, but wasn’t a strong one.
Both Moore and Hayes held their horses up, not that that should’ve been a bad thing. No doubt expecting a strong pace and you can’t blame them with what seemed pacemakers in there for both Emotionless (Cymric) and Awtaad (Ehtiraas). As it happened, neither did their jobs – Hanagan nowhere near the pace and Doyle (although led) did not go fast enough – Emotionless too free out the back. First Selection (who usually leads/races prominently)’s jockey Crowley also probably expected pacemakers to go faster and so kept his horse further back which again did not pay – took a keen hold.
All this led to Galileo Gold being in a much better position than The Gurkha (and to a certain extent Awtaad). Dettori kicked for home leaving Ryan trying to quicken (which is far more difficult on a soft surface) while finding his way through – doubly difficult.
Not saying he definately would’ve won, would’ve been close but Galileo Gold had everything in the race go his way. imo The Gurkha was an unlucky loser. If the three meet again on good or good-soft I’d make the Ballydoyle horse favourite. May be he’ll get his own pacemaker next time.
May be should’ve been slightly closer early so he could change tactics if needed, but I don’t blame Ryan – just one of those things. In positioning he played the percentage call (by what was known prior to the race) just did not pay off.
Value Is EverythingPeople need to learn how to read a race better.
Galileo Gold wasn’t unlucky in Ireland and The Gurkha wasn’t unlucky today.
That’s racing, it just doesn’t pan out as people expect sometimes.
Galileo Gold did me a favour in the Newmarket Guineas but I took him on based on value over in Ireland. I didn’t fancy him today based on the going mostly and feeling the other two had more scope for improvement.
Anyone taking odds on in a race this tight should be seeing a Psychiatrist rather than blaming jockeys.
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Hmmm, you strongly criticised me for saying something similar in a previous thread Steve.
When it’s said about you, you fly off the handle. Yet it’s alright for you to say it about others.
Value Is EverythingOnce again Frankie rode em to sleep!!
Don’t know what race you were watching Gore but Moore ran into a gap that closed and had to switch around Awtaad.
Frankie got first run and that was the difference!! NUFF SAID!!
And by the way I am not talking out of my pocket here as I didn’t have a bet in the race.
Nope, completely wrong…when he asked The Gurkha he just didnt quicken its as simple as that! He had plenty of time to take the gap but wasnt picking up thats when the door got closed but he would of never of won anyway.
Stop talking out of your pockets and just understand that The Gurkha simply wasnt good enough. Moore gave the horse every chance it just didnt pick up fast like it was expected to. Had plenty of time to win.
So my two-pennies worth. Galileo Gold was a very worthy winner. Frankie had him beautifully positioned throughout and he struck nice and early in the straight and was not stopping all the way to the line. The two favs were ridden out the back and were not able to make up the ground against a very good horse. If I was to slag off Moore I would be accused of pocket talk as I certainly DID back The Gurkha but I was certainly frustrated that he was coming from so far back and was then checked when the gap closed over a furlong out. I certainly could not say that he would have beaten GG without that happening but it would have been closer.
As for The Gurkha not having wings – well there is plenty of racing still to be done on ground that will be a lot better than that. The shortening of his price tells me he was extremely well fancied by connections and I think they will feel that they let one get away today. I hope they send him to Sandown for The Eclipse as I would really like to see him run over a bit further. I still believe he will prove to be the best 3 year old of the season.
So very well done to Joe and HP and Frankie and all who backed GG and let’s see what happens next time.
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As for The Gurkha not having wings – well there is plenty of racing still to be done on ground that will be a lot better than that.You said before the race that a good horse goes on any ground Joni, poor show using that as an excuse now.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
People need to learn how to read a race better.
Galileo Gold wasn’t unlucky in Ireland and The Gurkha wasn’t unlucky today.
That’s racing, it just doesn’t pan out as people expect sometimes.
Galileo Gold did me a favour in the Newmarket Guineas but I took him on based on value over in Ireland. I didn’t fancy him today based on the going mostly and feeling the other two had more scope for improvement.
Anyone taking odds on in a race this tight should be seeing a Psychiatrist rather than blaming jockeys.
Hmmm, you strongly criticised me for saying something similar in a previous thread Steve.When it’s said about you, you fly off the handle. Yet it’s alright for you to say it about others.
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Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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As for The Gurkha not having wings – well there is plenty of racing still to be done on ground that will be a lot better than that.You said before the race that a good horse goes on any ground Joni, poor show using that as an excuse now.
I think it is a poor show from you Steve. I have been absolutely reasonable in my assessment and not been a abda loser but you still want to pick up on a very tiny comment which is not in the least bit contradictory to what I said beforehand and use that, conveniently ignoring everything else I said. Yes good horses go on any ground and he went on the ground. He ran very well in fact. I am not using it as an excuse I am simply stating that there is lots of racing to be done on better ground and we all know that different ground can bring different results. As for your comment about people reading races better – you seem to read your races based on what you have said before the race not by what actually happens. You are being incredibly smug when you have no right to be. You backed the loser too but try to claim that you were right all along because you said it would be close.
I said The Gurkha would win easily and I was wrong. I am happy to take that on the chin and in the pocket. But we’ll move on and I still believe he will turn out to be the best 3 year old.
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