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- December 3, 2008 at 14:18 #194010
If Paul Nicholls really beleives in Sam as a jockey he should have kept him on the best horses as he is the best jockey on ‘Team Nicholls’ at present.
Imagine what poor Sam would feel if just after he is told the horses he will be schooling today then Tony Mc Coy’s car suddenly arrives up the drive to school one of the most exciting horses in the yard!
If Ruby ever got fed up flying over to this country week after week and decided to ride mainly in Ireland as he did before landing this job would Paul Nicholls nominate Sam as his stables number one jockey?
Paul Nicholls should have come clean to the media without relying on ‘I will consult the owner for his views’.
If it had been Sam Nicholls the trainers son that had fallen off would he be jocked off?
They say a week is a long time in politics but one fall from a horse that no one could safely say would have won will last far longer.
December 3, 2008 at 16:06 #194043Paul Nicholls is neither a lawyer or a politician, so everything he says can be interpreted in whichever way we choose; he wanted the level of success he has now but is probably getting a bit exasperated by the media frenzy surrounding his horses and jockeys and possibly wishes that he was now taking the [previous] NTD approach…as for Kauto in the King George I really hope he wins it [having never been his greatest fan]..the only problem I still have with Sam’s riding of the horse was that third last fence….over the years I’ve realized that very good horses always make the opposition look mediocre [Dessie, Best Mate]
December 3, 2008 at 16:23 #194050The fact that Nicholls was consulting Alex Ferguson about who should ride MM says it all- the man’s a knob.
December 3, 2008 at 16:46 #194056The fact that Nicholls was consulting Alex Ferguson about who should ride MM says it all- the man’s a knob.
Agree. He certainly is. You would have thought Nichols could have found someone else to discuss it with
December 3, 2008 at 16:46 #194057This is all getting rather tedious now.
It’s a straightforward case of jocking-off. Why is everyone wetting their drawers about it, when it happens all the time.
December 3, 2008 at 16:50 #194060Agree. He certainly is. You would have thought Nichols could have found someone else to discuss it with

You’ve been in good form the last day or two Clivex
December 3, 2008 at 16:53 #194061The fact that Nicholls was consulting Alex Ferguson about who should ride MM says it all- the man’s a knob.
Isn’t that a complete misrepresentation of the RP Story. Wasn’t the alleged discussion with Ferguson is relation to rebuilding Thomas’ confidence rather than asking an unrelated owner in the yard who should ride Master Minded.
December 3, 2008 at 16:57 #194062Paul Nicholls is neither a lawyer or a politician, so everything he says can be interpreted in whichever way we choose; he wanted the level of success he has now but is probably getting a bit exasperated by the media frenzy surrounding his horses and jockeys and possibly wishes that he was now taking the [previous] NTD approach…as for Kauto in the King George I really hope he wins it [having never been his greatest fan]..the only problem I still have with Sam’s riding of the horse was that third last fence….over the years I’ve realized that very good horses always make the opposition look mediocre [Dessie, Best Mate]
Moe, I think the 3rd last wasn;t even his fault – the horse was having to be ridden to hold his position even before then. As for going through the upright, it happens – Racing Demon did it several times at Exeter on his chasing debut and it didn’t stop him winning. Afsoun did it at Fakenham the other day too, and he then fell at the next fence. Was anyone blaming Marcus Foley for that? No. Why? Because the horse is a quirkey so and so and brought his demise upon himself. If half a ton of horse flesh decides "I am gonna career into this birch upright" there aint a whole lot a 10 stone human can do about it.
You are letting your love of Sam T get in the way of facts foxy… It was 100% Sam’s fault that KS went into the upright. He had been told to keep the horse to the outside out of trouble. Also lets be clear, the jockey is there to steer the horse, and a top class jockey at the top of his form would not have let KS hit that……
December 3, 2008 at 16:59 #194063True Carv and thank you… lol
More seriously though, so what if he talked to Fergie for some man management and confidence building advice? Isnt it true taht they are friends too?
Top sports managers (which is effectively what they are) do this all the time. Duncan Fletcher (who was certainly not lacking in confidence himself) shared ideas with Fergie too
Its a credit to PN that his ego isnt so inflated that he automatically assumes that he has the answer to everything
But maybe he shouldnt have mentioned it
December 3, 2008 at 17:41 #194071I think his motivation is more about name-dropping and getting his mug in the papers than helping his jockey get his confidence back. He could have achieved that a lot easier by giving him his unequivocal backing in public, IMHO.
December 3, 2008 at 19:18 #194102Think "personality" might be overdoing it Firefox. The bottom line is Sam is coming off horses he should be sticking with – you can’t risk those mistakes in the big races. They run the best horse in the country on Saturday and you need a top class pilot on board – in McCoy they have just that.
Unlucky for Sam but he’ll still be riding for Nicholls just not on the big days at the moment.
December 3, 2008 at 19:47 #194107Tom O’Ryan earlier gave his resounding support to Sam – well done Tom.
As regards the "buckle-end" debate about Big Buck’s Tom (an ex-jockey) seemed to imply Sam did the right thing but instead of the horse’s head hitting the ground as would be expected from the type of impace made on the fence, his head unusually came up and gave Sam no chance of staying in the plate.
But what would O’Ryan know, I mean, he’s just an ex-jockey and an eminent Racing correpsondent and personality?
Indeed he is, but when did ever read anything insightful in any of his Racing Post analysis? His ‘analysis’ of Southwell yesterday is laughable and if this is the sort of stuff the Post are going to charge for, I think I can cope without it.
December 3, 2008 at 21:13 #194118In what way did the horse run like a drain? Did he not just run to form? They are not all superstars in the yard….and this one has shown nothing in his earlier bumper to suggest he’d do anything here…. Delighted to see Sam staying on though!
December 3, 2008 at 21:35 #194125jock total F/U %
ruby ..3047 ..145 ..4.76%
sam ..1841 ….91 ..4.94%
tony ..3320 ..133 ..4.01%Percentage Fell or Unseated compared to all rides since Jan 2005. Not much in it.
December 3, 2008 at 21:39 #194130
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Whats the different between a bad horse jumping a fence too short and unseating a rider to a quallity horse jumping a fence too short and unseating a rider.
Does this make Sam a bad jockey because he was unseated by a good horse?
December 3, 2008 at 21:50 #194139jock total F/U %
ruby ..3047 ..145 ..4.76%
sam ..1841 ….91 ..4.94%
tony ..3320 ..133 ..4.01%Percentage Fell or Unseated compared to all rides since Jan 2005. Not much in it.
I’d even go as far as to say Sam comes off best when you factor in the quality of horse he rides compared with the other two, or Ruby at least.
December 3, 2008 at 21:53 #194142But its about current form…. what are the stats for the past 3 months?
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