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As a punter I would much rather him onside that against me. However, my issue is the suggestion he is one of the great jockeys – to my mind he is no Piggott, Cauthen
After 40 yrs. of watching and enjoying this great sport Steve Cauthen still remains my favourite ever jockey.
I cannot ever remember him being blamed for a bad ride and what a gentleman also, Sir Henry sending out horses for Sheik Mohammed in those old maroon and white silks…., I’m going to youtube now to see Oh So Sharp and Diminuedo.However, my issue is the suggestion he is one of the great jockeys – to my mind he is no Piggott, Cauthen, Mercer or Eddery etc. He is very good, but makes mistakes fairly regularly and should not be put on some pedestal where is regarded as being beyond criticism.
Sadly, these days we have so many cheerleaders in the media who want to big-up everyone and everything. If you listen to these people there is nearly always some excuse as to why a jockey messed up. In fact blame everything bar the human. Do these people think their audience is completely stupid?
He’s certainly having a poor week by his standards. Sport is all about confidence and he seems to be short of it at the moment. It was summed up in the last when Landofhopeandglory came to make his challenge and was hanging into the rail. Ryan kept trying to straighten him and go wide instead of trying to go up the inner. Probably mindful of what had happened in the previous race. Still, nothing a winner or two can’t remedy and it’s easy to be a jockey sitting at home.
Landofhopeandglory didn’t settle that well early and as you say Joni, hanging from a long way out.
Ryan found himself behind a wall of horses and – going like a winner – chose to come wide. Just as he made the move it opened up on the inner. Had he kept to the inner it might not have opened up and am sure you’re right… Ryan probably had the previous race in mind when going to win before broadsided. Landofhopeandglory doesn’t help his jockey, for one of his ability should’ve won more races than a dubut success against vastly inferior rivals, no win in 7 since, often at short prices. Has been awash with sweat before now (Newmarket) slightly high head carriage which at Lingfield (left-handed) seemed to be carrying it the other way than today. Possibly didn’t stay, but appears a right !!!! “gentleman” of a horse, “after you Sir”.Value Is EverythingHowever, my issue is the suggestion he is one of the great jockeys – to my mind he is no Piggott, Cauthen, Mercer or Eddery etc. He is very good, but makes mistakes fairly regularly and should not be put on some pedestal where is regarded as being beyond criticism.
Sadly, these days we have so many cheerleaders in the media who want to big-up everyone and everything. If you listen to these people there is nearly always some excuse as to why a jockey messed up. In fact blame everything bar the human. Do these people think their audience is completely stupid?
Mercer?!!!
Moore is imo far better than Mercer and I’d put him ahead of Eddery too. I probably didn’t see Piggott at his best. Even so, Lester would not be as good with today’s rules. Cauthen was the best I’ve seen.
Granted Lord Snooty seemed to deliberately avoid asking awkward questions of his pal Mr O’Brien at Chester after the Vase. Talking down what happened and I dare say there’s other occasions where some of the media don’t get involved Stilvi. But also, vast majority of the media are there because they know more about the sport than most punters… And yes there really is “nearly always some excuse as to why a jockey messed up”.
Let’s take Kings Fete: The horse has so much talent but is flawed.
How would you ride a horse who’s frequently ruinned his chance by pulling very very hard?I remember him in 2014 (only 3 starts back) twice pulling the rider’s arms off at Goodwood (including to post). Got good reason to remember! Kings Fete needs to be put to bed out the back to settle. Being out the back and with something on his outside makes settling a horse of his nature is far easier. The horse he was alongside was… the winner, so it isn’t as if holding it up out the back was a disadvantage in this particular race. In fact it could easily be James Doyle at fault on Elite Army for going for home a bit too soon, but do we hear criticism of him?
Ryan brought a horse who is difficult to win with through the field, found the gaps absolutely correctly and would’ve won – but for one horse coming diagnally across to unfairly Nether Wallop him. But for which everyone on here would be saying what a brilliant ride! :lol:
Amongst punters, the difference between super hero and super villain is a small one.
Value Is EverythingWhatever else RM suffers from, I don’t think lack of confidence is one of them. These top guys might make mistakes (think back to Ruby’s last obstacle woes) but they don’t do lack of confidence. That’s part of the reason they are where they are.
Not sure what you were watching Ginger but there was an interview when Nick Luck did succeed in irritating the listen merchant. In my opinion the highlight of his broadcasting career.
If you didn’t see Piggott at his best then presumably you didn’t see Mercer at his best either? He was only champion jockey once (in a short period as stable jockey to Henry Cecil) but in reality he wouldn’t have had many opportunities to land the title. Despite being associated with many top-class horses he would never have had the book of rides that Ryan Moore currently gets.
I have to agree with you Joe. It is all about confidence and Ryan Moore is lacking it at the moment. He probably thinks the world is against him but we are not.
I think he should maybe remember that he gets praise when he does the job well and should expect criticism when he doesn’t. Having said that I don’t think he did a lot wrong on most of his mentioned rides and was unlucky on more than one occasion.
If Jamie hadn’t have kept him in on Alice Springs then she would have finished second at worst and Kings Fete has to be a hostage to fortune because it pulls like a b*%%%%&*d.Landofhopeandglory looked an awkward ride and onThe Ghurka I think he was just outridden by Frankie.
As far as being the best ever or up their with them I think he is the best around at the moment but he wouldn’t get in my top five ever!!
Not sure what you were watching Ginger but there was an interview when Nick Luck did succeed in irritating the listen merchant. In my opinion the highlight of his broadcasting career.
If you didn’t see Piggott at his best then presumably you didn’t see Mercer at his best either? He was only champion jockey once (in a short period as stable jockey to Henry Cecil) but in reality he wouldn’t have had many opportunities to land the title. Despite being associated with many top-class horses he would never have had the book of rides that Ryan Moore currently gets.
You’re right Stilvi, I probably did not see Mercer at his best, but if he was one of the very best must have deteriorated massively before I saw him in the early 80’s.
So can’t believe he was ever that good. Where as Lester was imo still excellent at that stage……But could be wrong. I was young and opinionated in those days, did not know as much as I thought I knew. Of course now I’m a different entity. :lol:
Value Is Everything“…But could be wrong. I was young and opinionated in those days, did not know as much as I thought I knew. Of course now I’m a different entity. :lol:”
That has got to be the TRF quote of 2016!
It is all about confidence and Ryan Moore is lacking it at the moment. He probably thinks the world is against him but we are not.
Moore gives the strong impression he doesn’t give two hoots about what anyone else thinks, at least in public. In my opinion he doesn’t help himself one jot with the image he likes to portray. If he wanted to improve (clearly he doesn’t) he only need take a look at the way the rest of the family conduct themselves.
Joe Mercer’s tragically ill-fated brother Mannyas gene wrally considered the better of the pair.
I have to agree with you Joe. It is all about confidence and Ryan Moore is lacking it at the moment. He probably thinks the world is against him but we are not.
I think he should maybe remember that he gets praise when he does the job well and should expect criticism when he doesn’t. Having said that I don’t think he did a lot wrong on most of his mentioned rides and was unlucky on more than one occasion.
If Jamie hadn’t have kept him in on Alice Springs then she would have finished second at worst and Kings Fete has to be a hostage to fortune because it pulls like a b*%%%%&*d.Landofhopeandglory looked an awkward ride and onThe Ghurka I think he was just outridden by Frankie.
As far as being the best ever or up their with them I think he is the best around at the moment but he wouldn’t get in my top five ever!!
Raymo, I actually said the last thing that’s wrong is a lack of confidence. These top guys don’t do lack of confidence
Just posted this on the Diamond Jubilee thread, but thought I should stick it here too ……
Hats off to Ryan Moore, he’s taken some flack of late, some deservedly, but
that was an awesome ride, very strong at the finish to get Twilight Son in
front at the line. Well done sir
“…But could be wrong. I was young and opinionated in those days, did not know as much as I thought I knew. Of course now I’m a different entity. :lol:”
That has got to be the TRF quote of 2016!
Thought you’d like that one.
If you can’t laugh at yourself…Value Is EverythingJoe Mercer’s tragically ill-fated brother Eph was generally considered the better of the pair.
Manny was his brother, but he was in the same yard at one point as Eph Smith – perhaps that’s where the confusion’s arising
Just posted this on the Diamond Jubilee thread, but thought I should stick it here too ……
Hats off to Ryan Moore, he’s taken some flack of late, some deservedly, but
that was an awesome ride, very strong at the finish to get Twilight Son in
front at the line. Well done sirBut was it any better than Dougie Costello on Quiet Reflection? Personally, I don’t think so, particularly as it was Costello’s one big chance of the meeting, in fact one of the few he will get all season. A totally different sort of pressure to Moore who had the opportunities to forget about previous disappointments every day of the week.
So can’t believe he was ever that good. Where as Lester was imo still excellent at that stage…
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