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Lester Piggott advice for riding epsom Derby positioning is most important, Ryan Moore, check your rides at Epsom this past week.
Minding, small field for the oaks out the rear and found trouble, on Found, small field very poor pace, the pace maker for winner which he only beat by 1-1/4 lenghts.
Now the Derby again out the back was he tracking Dettori, it doesnt matter Moore & Dettori, badly positioned for top jockeys. Take a look at Pat Smullens positioning and ride, Ryan Moores, rides coming from way back and then finding the horse hanging because of the camber, im sure he told A P O`Brien inexperince.
I`m a big fan of Ryan Moore but when he looks back at Epsom, well we have 12 months till next Derby, will he learn.
Its a pity Minding didnt run in the Derby with Fallon on board.
I think it’s fair to say his GP1 Epsom rides last week couldn’t be held up as glowing examples of how to ride Epsom . He’s a top jockey, but these weren’t particularly good rides. Had a lesser jockey given Minding a similar ride, there would have been much more criticism of it.
blimey that’s a bit of a damming comment GT.IMO it was not Ryan’s finest ride and i am sure if it was som e french/japenese lad on board he would have got ‘plenty’ from pundits.Just my opinion and i i do (just about) understand sectionals
I agree Moore his a top jockey, sadly the media fail to make a comment. The so called experts on channel 4 failed to pick-up on this, don`t rock the boat. Fallon made a point in the racing post regarding the derby.
One reply too this post, but many views, i thought this was a horse racing forum for debating.AP
i agree that US Army Ranger may not be the hardest of battlers,just feel if Ryan had him in a posi close to the likes of Idaho he may have had a better chance.The pace was strong but lets not forget,the others did in fact neigh on ignore Port Douglas.The one thing which i would say is that US Army Ranger was slightly squeezed out by Algometer early on,now maybe that is the reason for Moore not getting slightly closer to the action,or as you say he could well have been told to drop him right out.
I am not jockey basher,just feel it was not his finest hour.But i have been wrong many times in the pastYour opening post is written in mangled English, has a weird format, states your view and does not invite debate because it is so dogmatic.
But if you want a debate, here goes. Your view of the Derby is quite stupid as it ignores the pace of the race and the fact that US Ranger had looked reluctant once in front at Chester. Moore was almost certainly riding to instructions from O’Brien, who also ensured a strong pace by sending Port Douglas to the front to commit suicide. Moore got there in plenty of time, but his horse wouldn’t go past the winner, perhaps because he lacks the ability of that horse, more likely because he lacks the will to win of Harzand.
If Harzand had been a non runner (which nearly happened anyway), would you have been quite so keen to come on here and criticise his ride on a Derby winner?
As for Minding, since you choose to critcise that ride, I presume you knew in advance that Turret Rocks would almost fall rounding Tattenham Corner. Once again Moore was in the right place in a race run too quickly early on in testing conditions.
Does coming on here and criticising someone’s English and calling their comments stupid really do much for encouraging new posters? Why do it, does it make you feel king of the castle for ten seconds? We already had Ginger trying to put himself on some sort of pedestal. I don’t know, perhaps the original poster’s native tongue isn’t English? Whatever, I think people can still understand the point he is trying to make. If you want to be pedantic regular poster Darren’s writing isn’t perfect – do you ever criticise him?
I roughly agree with your comments about the Derby (it is I think questionable whether he was outstayed or outbattled), but certainly not the Oaks. If it is a small field and you have that much in hand you should be keeping things as simple as possible. He was extremely fortunate that the horse got him out of trouble.
I think the Derby was actually a wonderful ride, with Moore forced to ignore conventional wisdom about Epsom to suit the awkward US Army Ranger. As we saw at Chester, the horse doesn’t really handle turning tracks. The additional element of the camber meant Moore had to ensure he made his move down the outside, otherwise the horse would hang in behind rivals and get trapped.
He timed the move well as the horse had plenty of time to pass Harzand if he was willing/able to, but US Army Ranger clearly chose to roll down the slope and hang in behind the winner. He ran up Harzand’s bum. No jockey could have done any more and an earlier challenge would not have changed the result. The best horse in the race probably finished second, but that doesn’t make it a bad ride.
There is no way to defend the Minding ride, though. That filly is one of the most straightforward rides you’ll find. Moore was very lucky to get away with that. To a lesser degree I thought his rides on Found and Sovereign Debt were quite poor. Sovereign Debt is a notoriously tricky customer who always needs splits up the inside so perhaps you can forgive that, but Found was poorly-placed in the Coronation Cup.
well to be fair i would not say Idaho or Harzand (roughly raced in 5th and 7th early)were dropped right out the back.This is a forum of very knowledgeable people, my point was more being the way you tried to come across as the guru of sectionals/speed while many on here ‘aint got a clue.I think you will find,you maybe wrong that point.
Just a view that i think you dont have to try and talk down to people/posters to get your point acrossapracing do you work for the media ?. I started my post relating to what lester piggott said regarding riding in the derby. Stupid.
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