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What stupid people these last two posters are. Ryan Moore a world class top jock in all respects being slagged off by morons who have probably never even sat on a horse. You are talking about horses here, who are all individual and all need to be ridden as such. Ryan Moore is world class at that as proven today,not that he needs to prove anything,his record speaks for itself. I just wish thick, moronic, pocket talking punters like wexford man and Troy would learn a bit more about race riding and horsemanship before writing drivel about brilliant jockeys.
It makes my blood boil.So a top jockeys aren’t capable of making errors of judgement in a race, or are they simply perfect everytime ?
What stupid people these last two posters are. Ryan Moore a world class top jock in all respects being slagged off by morons who have probably never even sat on a horse. You are talking about horses here, who are all individual and all need to be ridden as such. Ryan Moore is world class at that as proven today,not that he needs to prove anything,his record speaks for itself. I just wish thick, moronic, pocket talking punters like wexford man and Troy would learn a bit more about race riding and horsemanship before writing drivel about brilliant jockeys.
It makes my blood boil.So a top jockeys aren’t capable of making errors of judgement, or are they simply perfect in every race ?
To be fair, I don’t think he said that Tim.
Value Is EverythingGinge I too agree that The Ghurka is the best 1m 3yo around and will go on to win the likes of the Susses stakes etc, wonder if he could get 1m2f, will certainly be backing him wherever he goes next
And I cannot even state the number of times I’ve had a Moore horse in a finish going up against one in a battle and Moore has come out on top, this is a random ballpark figure but I’d say he wins at least 75% of those coin-toss battles to the line, sure he gets out of position but we can’t forget that a horse is a big powerful animal and you can’t literally drive it like a car, if you pressure it to gain a more prominent position you may waste that vital energy needed in the final furlong.
Order of St George won through his class, Ryan was in all sorts of trouble a mile out which can happen in races in big fields and other jockeys playing tactically not always the jockeys fault but had he got beat I’m sure he would have got slaughtered by some.
Some people seem extremely one dimensional – Ryan Moore is top class, they think, therefore he is not capable of making mistakes.
You are quite right. It doesn’t matter how good you are, if you make a mistake you make a mistake, simple. Defending it, simply because the sheep like view is to agree he is the best jockey in the world seems of zero merit.
It was fashionable to slaughter Joesph O’Brien everytime he made an error, but not Moore for some reason.
Using on screen pundits’ reactions to jockeys rides to support one’s views is naive in the extreme. The media rely on jockeys for interviews. Alienating them causes problems, just ask Lydia Hislop (re: McCoy). Off air the pundits will be honest and not hold back with criticism if they think it is justified. On air, forget it!
The last time a jockey was seriously taken to task for a ride on air was Starkey in the 1986 Derby.
Ginge I too agree that The Ghurka is the best 1m 3yo around and will go on to win the likes of the Susses stakes etc, wonder if he could get 1m2f, will certainly be backing him wherever he goes next
Good point Ben, that’s the reason I haven’t backed The Gurkha for the Sussex. Coolmore don’t seem to have another top class 1m2f colt this season. Not that they have another top class colt miler either. The Gurkha could do either job as could the fillies Minding or even a fit and well Ballydoyle. US Army Ranger and Idaho are more likely to be 12f+ horses. Team Coolmore could decide to send The Gurkha wherever there’s goodish ground at 8 to 10f, I’d be a little concerned if it were very firm.
Value Is EverythingOrder of St George won through his class, Ryan was in all sorts of trouble a mile out which can happen in races in big fields and other jockeys playing tactically not always the jockeys fault but had he got beat I’m sure he would have got slaughtered by some.
Some people seem extremely one dimensional – Ryan Moore is top class, they think, therefore he is not capable of making mistakes.
You are quite right. It doesn’t matter how good you are, if you make a mistake you make a mistake, simple. Defending it, simply because the sheep like view is to agree he is the best jockey in the world seems of zero merit.
It was fashionable to slaughter Joesph O’Brien everytime he made an error, but not Moore for some reason.
Using on screen pundits’ reactions to jockeys rides to support one’s views is naive in the extreme. The media rely on jockeys for interviews. Alienating them causes problems, just ask Lydia Hislop (re: McCoy). Off air the pundits will be honest and not hold back with criticism if they think it is justified. On air, forget it!
The last time a jockey was seriously taken to task for a ride on air was Starkey in the 1986 Derby.
It’s about criticising when it is due Ivanjica.
imo The type of ride that should be criticised is Found at Epsom. Ryan held a horse up in a race where the very early pace slowed dramatically, keeping her there when should’ve got closer. Was never going to have the pace from there. Not that it was as bad as the ride on stayer Simple Verse. As it happens – didn’t make any difference the way Postponed won with plenty in hand, but point is did not give the filly the best chance of winning.When criticising a jockey it needs to consider every runner’s characteristics/temperament/needs in the race (both before the race and if the jockey could’ve changed tactics mid race considering those c’s t’s and n’s.
Value Is EverythingGinge I too agree that The Ghurka is the best 1m 3yo around and will go on to win the likes of the Susses stakes etc, wonder if he could get 1m2f, will certainly be backing him wherever he goes next
Good point Ben, that’s the reason I haven’t backed The Gurkha for the Sussex. Coolmore don’t seem to have another top class 1m2f colt this season. Not that they have another top class colt miler either. The Gurkha could do either job as could the fillies Minding or even a fit and well Ballydoyle. US Army Ranger and Idaho are more likely to be 12f+ horses. Team Coolmore could decide to send The Gurkha wherever there’s goodish ground at 8 to 10f, I’d be a little concerned if it were very firm.
Yeah the way The Gurkha was going as the line came on that soft ground on Tuesday suggested to me he could get 1m2f without too much trouble providing he’s held up and dropped a bit out of it. Though the way I look at it if I were Aiden I’d think Ghurka is the best miler, Army Ranger the best 1m4f and that leaves Minding for the 1m2f races, but as you said a lot could depend on the ground and certain horses wellbieng, I could see Ghurka or Minding winning an Eclipse this year but I reckon they’ll want to give them a little rest for a month or so and then get them going again 2nd half of the season.
I am not sure if anyone has produced stats on this, but certainly for the first part of this season there seemed to be a high incidence of Ballydoyle runners that had been beaten with Moore riding then winning next time out with a different jockey on board.
I also notice Seamie Heffernan has a higher strike rate than Moore in Ireland season to date, and a better level stake profit (indeed Seamie also finished well ahead of Moore last season in Ireland in terms of Ballydoyle rides). I think I am right in saying Moores win rate for Ballydoyle isn’t as good as the likes of Kinane, Murtagh, Fallon or even Spencer – though happy to stand corrected on that (dont have the actual stats to hand though seem to recall those named jockeys operating in the late 20s percentage-wise).
I don’t mean to seem anti-Moore. As a punter I would much rather him onside that against me. However, my issue is the suggestion he is one of the great jockeys – to my mind he is no Piggott, Cauthen, Mercer or Eddery etc. He is very good, but makes mistakes fairly regularly and should not be put on some pedestal where is regarded as being beyond criticism.
Another disgracefully bad ride by Moore. Drops out the back on the rail and gets in all sorts of trouble before finishing like a train again. He has made so many stupid errors this week that coolmore must really be wondering whether he should be retained for much longer
I think Aiden needs to train his horses to jump out the stalls better, if all his lot got out like Wesley Ward’s and Moore could get the horses in the position he wants without expending extra energy then I think all those near misses this week would be wins
Another disgracefully bad ride by Moore. Drops out the back on the rail and gets in all sorts of trouble before finishing like a train again. He has made so many stupid errors this week that coolmore must really be wondering whether he should be retained for much longer
Terrible ride Wexford, don’t think the boys in blue will be too impressed !
I think Aiden needs to train his horses to jump out the stalls better, if all his lot got out like Wesley Ward’s and Moore could get the horses in the position he wants without expending extra energy then I think all those near misses this week would be wins
It is the jockey’s job to ensure the horse pings the lids. Tom Queally rode a filly for Cecil a few years ago who was a maiden after 11 runs (Queally had ridden her seven times). He kept blaming her for being slow out of the stalls, something that had cost her victory on at least three occasions. Louis Steward took over and she never looked back, breaking cleanly everytime he rode her.
Of one thing there is no doubt – Moore is having a nightmare week. Not all his fault, though his timing leaves little room for error. If that gap stays open, he probably wins.
Would not want to be the cat in his house tonight!!!
He’d probably swing a kick at it, miss, and fall on his a**e
He’s certainly having a poor week by his standards. Sport is all about confidence and he seems to be short of it at the moment. It was summed up in the last when Landofhopeandglory came to make his challenge and was hanging into the rail. Ryan kept trying to straighten him and go wide instead of trying to go up the inner. Probably mindful of what had happened in the previous race. Still, nothing a winner or two can’t remedy and it’s easy to be a jockey sitting at home.
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