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Only possible compromise I can think of having a chance is:
Ukraine has the right to become a member of NATO.
But if so doing there will be an agreement for NO NATO troops inside Ukraine – only Ukraine troops – as long as Russia keeps out of Ukraine territory.
This helps Russia / Putin feel safer – without NATO troops on its border with Ukraine… And yet Ukraine feels safer knowing that if Russia were to invade, NATO will respond.Would that work as a compromise?
Value Is EverythingI’ve heard far worse ideas.
At least it pays lip service to Putin’s alleged concerns.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"There’s a recent idea floating around that would have Ukraine declare itself to be totally independent and, as such, to not seek membership in NATO/EU.
No reason why not France was not a member of NATO until
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysTurkoman, from memory (which may be wrong) I think that Ukraine, after considering
being part of Nato some time back, did a bit of a turnaround and gave Putin an assurance
that they no longer held any interest in joining Nato. Of course an assurance isn’t worth
dick, but I wouldn’t recommend giving it to Putin and then giving it ….na na na, nanana,
only kiddin
Ukraine want to be part of NATO.
That’s what Putin does not like.Value Is EverythingPretty sure if the western world declared war on Russia and started amassing millions of troops as close to the Russian border as possible Putin would soon back down.
I’m all about the gamble, let’s call his bluff!
Yep I’m well aware of that Ginge, my point to Turkoman was that some time back (years ago)
Ukraine had indicated an intention they were considering joining Nato. The president of
Ukraine was pro joining Nato, but he fled in 2014 and the interm president, probably not to
antagonise Putin, said they had no intentions of joining with Nato. Obviously that was bollocks,
and when it later was clear the did want to join Nato, Putin moved the troops in.I totally understand your point, BigG. Although I can’t confirm who proposed the idea of Ukraine declaring itself to be totally independent and neutral to avoid potential war breaking out, the merit of this idea is not the issue. What’s most important at this stage is dialogue and give diplomacy a chance…
I would describe myself as broadly centre-left, but I am democratically centre-left and I don’t like the Putin regime one bit.
I don’t see how it promotes equality of opportunity, meritocracy, social justice, or any of the broad, social conscience-related, values I believe underpin any civilised society.
But the way the centre right media portrays situations like this always disturbs.
There has to be a black and white, good guy, bad guy, narrative, and our leaders are invariably the good guys and the other fella is always the one dimensional bad guy.
Even terrorist organisations often have legitimate issues, but that is always lost in the desire to punish and destroy.
Legitimate issues don’t justify terrorist or warlike actions, and their perpetrators should never be appeased, but as the years go by I just see this endless cycle of conflict without greater understanding.
The world faces bigger ongoing global issues than who a lump of landmass (Ukraine) should belong to.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"This country still hasn’t fully moved on from World War II, and nobody under 80 has any memory of it whatsoever. It’ll be a long time before the Cold War narrative disappears.
Putin has no intention of going full hitler mode and starting a war, Putin may be a little bit wild but he’s certainly not crazy. He’s only doing all this stuff now because he has absolutely 0 respect for Biden and sees him as a weak pushover, he had much more respect for Trump.
“This country still hasn’t fully moved on from World War II”,
“The world faces bigger ongoing global issues than who a lump of landmass (Ukraine) should belong to”.
Weren’t people saying the same type of thing about fully moving on from World War I… and Lumps of land called Austria and Czechoslovakia.
Ah well, let’s just let Russia have Ukraine then…
And then Estonia…
And then Lithuania…
And then Poland…Seems the leaders have learned from Pre-WWII even if some people haven’t.
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