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Mr Wilson; That was one of the few posts that made me laugh heartily out loud.
I am also on Poet’s Voice @ 16’s (1/4 first 3).
Magoo, you’re a shrewd man, I wish us well for our adventures Saturday.
Respect.
Re- Poets Voice. He beat Main Aim last time in what was a two horse race and Main Aim wouldn’t stay a mile if he was carried round in a horsebox.
I can’t understand for the life of me why someone would think 7/1 is a good price, should be at least 10/1, he has about a stone to find on ratings. Yes he has each way claims but value? Nah nowhere near it IMO.
Have to agree that Poets Voice looks the best e/w alternative to the fav if the ground turns up on the Soft side. Before the Champion Stakes AOB was very worried about the ground for Rip when he spoke to RTE and afterwards Johnny said he just didnt pick up as well as he usually does. The fact that the race probably took a lot out of him and also this being his 3rd race in just over 5 weeks means that it would be a huge surprise if he performs anywhere near his best especially on soft again. Makfi looks the rock solid favourite on ground he should enjoy but he was trained for the Guineas in May so likely to have been back in since January or February and its now almost Oct. Always a worry will a horse keep its form right through the season (Sea The Stars the obvious exception) so Poets Voice might just be worth a few quid e/w. He has a lot to find but he should enjoy the ground and he has had a quiet campaign so no worries about his wellbeing or fitness. I expect him and Makfi to be 1-2 and at the prices i would give marginal preference to Poets Voice
Re- Poets Voice. He beat Main Aim last time in what was a two horse race and Main Aim wouldn’t stay a mile if he was carried round in a horsebox.
I can’t understand for the life of me why someone would think 7/1 is a good price, should be at least 10/1, he has about a stone to find on ratings. Yes he has each way claims but value? Nah nowhere near it IMO.
Price of a particular animal is as much about the other horses in the race as it’s own form.
RIP has much better form than Poet’s Voice, yet I believe is a probable to run poorly here. Was an excellent miler, but just has not had the same pace in his last two starts. Also massive ground issues and now Ladbrokes (Mike Dillon) fielding against him.
Both Goldicova and Paco Boy were well below form when Makfi beat them. Just how good that performance actually was remains to be seen. Probably improved a bit there, but taking that run out of Makfi’s form and he isn’t a tremendous amount infront of the others. His price wasn’t anywhere near good enough, although is on the drift now.
Red Jazz isn’t good enough and hasn’t conditions to suit. Bushman ran awful last time, Hearts Of Fire has just one piece of good form when his trainer was in blinding form (not now). Would not put anyone off backing Beethoven at current price of around 20/1, although he’s more exposed and hasn’t the scope for further improvement as Poet’s Voice.
Poet’s Voice acts on the ground. O.K. the form is difficult to pin down. Could be he achieved little last time, as Main Aim probably did not run to form. But equally, he could still be anything. You had to be there to appreciate just how easily Poet’s Voice won. Also there at Salisbury, the race run totally against him yet produced an amazing turn of foot. I rate the performance as at least a two length win. Horses who show such a change of pace are often capable of beating horses of seemingly better form.
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Are people still backing RVW lol
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Patriotism has gone out the window…come on the frog!!
lol I backed him when he won in France but have aborted ship today. Something tells me Hearts of Fire is gonna do it and Makfi might remember what happened at Ascot and that could hinder his chances.
Phew, that saved me. Damn Arsenal, their awful, awful defence and Fabregas’ injury. Well done, Frankie. Great, great ride. Although a bit premature with the celebration…
Well done Poets Voice supporters. Dismally depressed about Makfis effort. Wasn’t heavily invested but somethings are more important than money.
At least Dubawi sired the winner! What a stallion!
I honestly feel sick after that. Why Rip was risked on that ground in the Irish Champion Stakes is beyond me.
Ballydoyle tactically have had a torrid campaign, starting at Epsom.
The upside is the casual punters will have won a chunk with Frankie today off the bookies.
I honestly feel sick after that. Why Rip was risked on that ground in the Irish Champion Stakes is beyond me.
Ballydoyle tactically have had a torrid campaign, starting at Epsom.
The upside is the casual punters will have won a chunk with Frankie today off the bookies.
"Casual punters"
Face it JJM, RIP no longer has the pace for a mile. Sure he nearly won it, but still well below his best form rating there.
"That ground" in the Irish Champion was described by Timeform as "Good", nowt to do with the ground.
Far from "tactically torrid", Ballydoyle played perfect tactics with a one pacer.
Opinions eh!
YeeeeeeHaaaa!
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Poet’s Voice:
Also acts well on a soft surface. Should have won at Salisbury penultimate start, jockey needed to settle him and dropped out last. In a slowly run race, produced a terrific turn of foot to almost catch front running Sea Lord. Again in a slowly run small field last time, held up, produced another burst of speed to go right away from Main Aim. Striding out really well on the soft ground to win eased down. What that run is worth is difficult to say. Only serious rival probably not at his best, but overall impression is of a horse on the up and stable still in excellent form. Poet’s Voice looks worth an each way bet at around 7/1.
My 100% Book for Good-Soft or Soft (if not verging on heavy):
Makfi 47.5% 11/10, Rip Van Winkle 22.5% 7/2,Poet’s Voice 18% 9/2
, Beethoven 5.5% 18/1, Hearts Of Fire 5% 20/1, Bushman 1% 100/1, Red Jazz 0.3% 300/1, Air Chief Marshall 0.2% 500/1.
If I were a bookie I’d offer to 111.8%:
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Just my opinion, but Makfi was done for speed in the SJP, and the throat infection had little bearing on the way he ran.
He travelled as well as anything until turning in (at which stage the field was still well bunched, off a none to searching early pace) but perceptibly lacked a change of gear when the taps were turned on once in the straight, and he was eased considerably, once beaten.
Clearly, he’s a very good horse, and had no problems with the Rowley Mile, or the straight mile at Deauville, but this is Ascot again, with its short finishing straight,and (barring a bog) there is no way I can see him finishing in front of Canford.Excellent call on Makfi Reet he never looked happy at anytime.
I thought for a time Red Jazz was going to win the race and Rip Van Winkle for a few strides was going to be out of the first 3.
He ran on like a tiger and what he lacks in class certainly makes up in gameness.
That man Frankie is as good as ever and he’s just won another race on Rainfall this very second. off to collect
I honestly feel sick after that. Why Rip was risked on that ground in the Irish Champion Stakes is beyond me.
Ballydoyle tactically have had a torrid campaign, starting at Epsom.
The upside is the casual punters will have won a chunk with Frankie today off the bookies.
"Casual punters"
Face it JJM, RIP no longer has the pace for a mile. Sure he nearly won it, but still well below his best form rating there.
"That ground" in the Irish Champion was described by Timeform as "Good", nowt to do with the ground.
Far from "tactically torrid", Ballydoyle played perfect tactics with a one pacer.
Opinions eh!
YeeeeeeHaaaa!
Sorry to confuse, I think the tactics for the QE2 were perfect, I still think Rip is a 12f horse however. I still think the stable on the whole for the season, in terms of race placing, especially with the farce of Cape Blanco not running in the Derby.
Fair enough JJM.
I applaud Ballydoyle in not taking Cape Blanco to Epsom. An undulating track would not have done any good to a horse who’s been lame only weeks previously. Did not run well enough at Chantilly to suggest a good performance would’ve been forthcoming anyway.
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