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  • #1325677
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    She’ll definitely have a couple of quid of mine on her next time Moe.

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    I think yesterday was her Derby, Gold Cup and Grand National all rolled into one. A bit more weight will finish her off [unless they use a claimer, of course, but Sheena always seems to use Marc].

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    just popped in to see how you are going VTC,hope things are treating you well

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    Yeah, all good here N, usual healthy mix of winners, and a good few losers lol

    Hope you had a fine Flat Season, thought it was the best one for a while.

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    yes mate went well, nice wait now till meydan, btw love your new style write ups

    see you february lol

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    Cheers N, new layout fair saves me a bit of time, with a hyperactive dog to deal with now, and in a new department at work eating up my hours lol

    I’ll try my hand at that Meydan stuff, which if I remember, runs from Early December, to around Good Friday lol

    PS. Meydan Nap this winter is Belgian Bill………..certainty

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    Aintree holds some very nice races today, but the action at Wincanton, Naas,
    and Doncaster, is very decent too.

    Aintree
    The meeting will mainly be a watching brief, and in the opener, I think this could be a sharpener for Imperial Eloquence, and they’ve surely got a race in mind for him at Cheltenham next week, considering connections. From the Fergal O’Brien yard, a yard I seem to be following more often these days.

    In the 1340, Vyta Du Roc catches my attention, but this will surely bring him on for Newbury, while Bon Chic, who did me such a huge turn a fortnight ago, has predictably been hit with a hefty rise. I’ll definitely sit this one out too.

    In the 1415, another recent winner, Ballyboley, has also been hit with a fair rise, however, considering the manner of his victory that day, it might not be enough to stop him. He is being considered, but even if I split stakes with him, the main fancy in this race will be Master Dee, who ran well behind Ballyboley that day at Market Rasen, and 8’s just looks too big.

    In the 1525, I really really like Imjoeking, and even before the win of One For Arthur, I’ve always liked Lucinda Russell runners here, and in The Topham, the last time he ran here, he was running a nice race when he came down, and I think he’s got plenty up his sleeve off of this mark, and 10’s is very fair.

    Doncaster
    In The November Handicap, I’m with Chelsea Lad, Win 16’s, and Euchen Glen EW same price with 6 Places, and have mentioned this on the race thread.

    The 1300 is a cracker of a race. Showboating has been a really successful horse for me in the past. It’s been a wee while since I bet him, but I reckon I’ve bet him about 5 times over the years, and I think he won 3 of them. He’s on a nice mark, and is a fair price at 16’s. Pastoral Player is a bit of a monkey, and not getting any younger, but I don’t think 28’s is a fair reflection of his chances, while Khelman looks to have more in his favour here than the odds of 25’s suggest. All big odds, 5 Places available, and at those odds, I’m happy to split stakes on the 3 of them.

    The 1335 sees 2 horses who have let me down this year, in the shape of Bravery, and Von Blucher, and I’ve not made up my mind on this race. 5 Places for Von Blucher around 20’s might be the call, but if I’m being honest, minimum stakes might be the order of the day on the pair of them, as I’d be kicking myself if I missed out.

    17-2 looks more than fair for Teruntum Star in the 1405, considering the form he’s in, and he looks worth chancing.

    Naas
    Really nice card, with the likes of

    Red Jack
    American Tom
    Ordinary World
    Pallasator
    Paloma Blue
    Bacardys
    De Plotting Shed

    all lining up, and can’t wait to see them in action.

    From a betting point of view, I really want to be with Neverushacon, but even at 25’s, I’m not convinced he can give me my 3rd payday in as many months.

    The 1310 has Ex Patriot as a short priced favourite, and he’s a lovely horse, as is the second fav, but I keep getting drawn to Delta Work, who in a contest of this nature, might just be on the big side at 13-2.

    Real quandry in the 1455, with old friend Oscar Knight, and even better friend in Kylecrue, both in the mix. Oscar Knight got me a few quid in The Paddy Power, though but for a blunder, it should have been even more. Good chance this might be a prep for a big chase, but I think this might be a planned route for him. Kylecrue was a huge winner for me a fortnight back, and also scored for me at Listowel. I don’t think he’s weighted out of this today. More than happy with 9’s and 12’s.

    Wincanton
    I sat out The Elite Hurdle Ante-Post, and that worked out well, as I’d have been with Old Guard. I badly want Flying Tiger to win. Massive winner for me at Chelteham, certainly in my top 5 biggest winners last term, and he didn’t get the credit he deserved. It looks a race to enjoy without a bet though, and Couer De Lion looks the value, but if any early winners, I might have a couple of quid on Flying Tiger, as his run on the flat last time was pretty decent.

    My AP Selection for The Badger Ales, Caroles Destrier, didn’t make it, and to be honest, not that big a surprise. It’s probably the best line up for this in several years, and Present Man, Tempestatefloresco, and Alfie Spinner catch the eye, though at this moment in time, unusually for a race like this, I’m considering sitting it out. If pushed, and again, it might come down to any early returns, it might just be Alfie with the 5 Places.

    Two problems with that lot today.

    Firstly, far too many selections. There will be a few of them bet for sure, but for both singles, and the perms, I’ll have to be careful with stakes, and there may be a few cuts.

    Which brings me on the other issue. This is not usually my fav Saturday of the jumps season by any stretch, and is a traditionally small stakes day, but I’ll be doing well to keep it that way today.

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    Really looking forward to seeing Red Jack myself too. The form of his Naas bumper win looks really strong, with Debuchet and Le Richebourg in behind and fifth place Cosmos Moon looking a winner in waiting. Obviously a bit short for me or you today at 1/2 but hopefully all goes well for him.

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    Yeah, smashing horse Tommy, and hopefully he can win, and in decisive manner, though to be fair it doesn’t look quite the penalty kick. I’ve bet Le Richebourg for The Supreme, even though he’s had a summer campaign, which I’m not a fan of for Cheltenham Novices, so I really need Red Jack to confirm that form today.

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    Forgot to do an update on Thursday, and escaped with a small profit, thanks to Like An Open Book scraping 7’s, and it should have been a better day, but for taking Caolaneion in the same race. I double dare anyone to put up a horse that gets beaten further this season lol

    Same story yesterday, and one horse, Oscar Knight, making a big difference. 9’s was a steal, and this is a nice horse. As I said, went very close for me in The Paddy Power, and I wanted him to go for The Close Brothers Novices at Cheltenham.

    I had three running for me in The Badger Ales, though the bets were so small, that I never really got that excited for Theatre Guide. He’s a horse I always follow, and can pretty much guarantee I’ll be with him again this year. Alfie Spinner will win again based on that run, but is unlikely to be at this level, while Henllan Harri left me very underwhelmed, and I would doubt I’d look at him again. Was initially hacked off at missing out on Present Man, but thems the breaks, and it’s better for this to happen in a small betting race, rather than the main ones.

    The flip side of betting small, is that when something like Chelsea Lad makes the frame at 22’s, the returns don’t justify the enthusiasm. He was a small bet as well, but conversely, a big fancy, and you do feel a bit cheated, but chuffed to bits with him, and that trip was the making of him.

    Master Dee ran a cracker for me at Aintree, but was Win only, while Teruntum Star did everything he could. I knew my fate with Imjoeking before the race as he doubled in price, while the less said about the 3 outsiders at Doncaster, the better. I actually put a couple of quid extra on Khelman.

    Of those I didn’t bet, Imperial Eloquence looks one to keep in mind when he runs next at Cheltenham, I really do think he’s a nice horse, while I was nearly having kittens watching Bon Chic, thought she was going to do it again. It’s no good for you that.

    I didn’t bet Delta Work, once the race, and the price, cut up, and that proved a wise move, as he wasn’t very good.

    Bravery and Von Blucher were “meh”, and was delighted to have swerved them (bar the exacta), and last word has to go to Neverushacon………….that run did not go unnoticed, and looking forward to a win from him later in the season.

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    Might as well go for it today. The last 2 Sundays have been ridiculous for me, and although asking a lot for a repeat here, no harm in trying. The last 2 Saturdays have been very small betting days for me, but at the same time, I’ve still managed to escape with a profit, so with The November meeting on the horizon, I might as well have a go on a couple today.

    Not betting Stratum, as he’s too short, and if I’m going to follow him as planned, it’ll be when he’s a price.

    I’ve already had a go on Flaxen Flare at 100’s. Put him up yesterday, and after mentioning him earlier in the year, as a strong fancy for The Kerry National, I just have the feeling he could give me a run for my money at those odds. He’s as good as ever, as his last 2 runs shows, and I just think he’ll be one of those Elliot Horses, who appear here, there, and everywhere, at big odds. He’s the biggest bet of the day, I’m being greedy.

    I’ve obviously been following the Ryan horses closely this season, and though Kylecrue has got me a couple of decent wins, the likes of Cnoc Na Sioga, and Draycott Place have come up short. In the 1410 at Navan, Draycott is back out, and he has to bet at around 20’s. He will come in this season, and in a race like this, and at these odds, he has to be risked. I’ve always been a massive fan of The Game Changer, and he should be favourite here, but the odds don’t appeal, and as he sometimes doesn’t quite deliver, I’m chancing the Ryan outsider.

    The Mooch was a horse I was keeping an eye on a couple of seasons ago, as he looked decent……..at his own level. He did me proud at Leapordstown at silly odds, but the wheels have come off since. I do see him as more of a staying chaser, so even allowing for no recent form, the fact that he’s in a 2 mile hurdle should be enough of a concern. Still, I keep going back to him here today. It’s a long time since I backed him, and with him unseating early doors last time, I don’t know where he’s at these days, but Cooper is a big booking, and I’m having a go at 28’s at the very least with the 4 Places.

    Might Bite is the star attraction at Sandown, but for me the big name is one of my very favourites, Double Ross. No need to go over the same ground with him, but he is just a fabulous horse, and win or lose today, all roads lead to Newbury with him, where I really do think he can make the frame again. Maybe a bit short today for his own, but he’ll be in the perms for sure. Everything crossed for him today.

    The 1320 is a trappy little race, but I continually come back to Qualando and Western Miller, and they both look way overpriced at 12’s. Yes, despite being a Festival winner, Qualando has still left Nicholls, but there’s enough ability retained, and I’m happy with the booking of Coleman. Western Miller is equally appealing, especially over fences, and got right back on track last time. More than happy to bet the pair of them.

    On these threads over the last few years, I have obviously followed certain yards closely, with Elliot, Harrington, and Tizzard runners given a lot more attention, but although I cooled a wee bit on her last year with my focus on Tizzard in particular, I still do keep a close eye on Venetia Williams. We’re just about getting to her time of year. I went for Waldorf Salad last week, and he was abysmal. In The Badger Ales yesterday, I gave Yala Enki a serious chance, and I thought he’d have went off shorter, but after putting in some sort of effort, he folded tamely. He’ll be back. I was less keen on her Vic De Touzaine, and for reasons unknown, he went off shorter than Yala, which was strange, as I had him as a 25’s shot. Anyway, he also ran poorly, and the run of that pair, and that of Waldorf has me worried, hence my hesitance with Drumviredy today at Ffos Las. I seen enough of him last season, to think he could land a prize like todays 1430, but the risks are obviously there. I’ve taken 10’s anyway.

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    The bad news for me is that that was a poor day, the good news is that it won’t take me long to discuss lol.

    Western Miller broke my heart in the first, and I’ll say no more on it, though I had plenty to say at the time. Any winner at 12’s that misses out like that is hard to stomach. He should have won.

    The rest all failed to feature.

    Quick word for Double Ross, who unseated as early as the 2nd. Just glad he came out the race unscathed, and still keen on him placing at Newbury, while the run from Flaxen Flare was encouraging, and no surprise to see him entered for The Troytown now. The Mooch made my day (well something had to), and I’m glad I wasn’t going mad having bet him, and he finished strongly, and I’m now sure that I’ve got a nice handicap chase winner there, albeit not in one of the more illustrious ones of course.

    Hopefully that will do me until Friday, but a couple of faves entered for Clonmel Oils Day on Thursday, so I’ll see how that goes.

    #1326774
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    Evening VTC

    See they have changed the format day 1 cheltenham.

    Three handicaps to start,that look right up your street :yes:

    Still finding my way round here,not sure where to stick any thoughts at mo.

    Looking forward to three informative days.

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    Welcome aboard mate, and good to have you on here. I think you’ll enjoy this “Daily Lays and Plays” section, and also “Cheltenham” (obviously lol) and “Big Races Discussion”. Hopefully you’ll find the navigation ok after a while.

    Yup, my kind of races. Yeah, so used to that 3 Mile Handicap at the end of the day, but a smashing race to start off with, and I’ve already got a shortlist of 4. I like Samson and Festive Affair in the next 2 races, but no way am I confident about the pair of them.

    #1326825
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    Lady Buttons wins for Adam; so glad they kept the faith with him! They must think a lot of him to put him on the best horse in the yard.

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    Nice one Moe :good:

    I’m at work just now, and EE have been very generous today, and I can get one bar of coverage. Not enough to see any of the racing, but enough to see the RP Comments, and looks as if Adam was in control.

    #1326848
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    His granny will be chuffed!

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