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KF after race:
"..very hard to get the tempo of the race right, compared to the way we ride at home…very disappointed"
http://www.sport927.com.au/sport927/sec … e.asp?id=1
best regards
wit
Fallon was at a distinct disadvantage having not ever ridden in the race before. I don’t doubt that the pace of Aussie races are completely different to the likes of Ascot or Goodwood. Pity that Fallon wasn’t prepared for it, as Yeats was going like a machine down the back side. The horse was up for it.
then again:
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Delta Blues’ tiny rider, Yasunari Iwata, had never left Japan before. Before the race the pundits suggested the horse he was on certainly had the goods but he didn’t, not with the secrets and myths of Flemington and the Melbourne Cup to contend with. Only a jockey with The Knowledge could do it.
But Iwata ran a courageous, assured race, sitting in second or third for most of the 3200 metres, letting hot Irish stayer Yeats move in front of him midway only to steal the ground back then holding off stablemate Pop Rock through a bumpy, close-quarters tussle to the line and a half-head photo-finish.
…….He races Group One in Japan but on small courses, mainly Sonoda racetrack near Osaka, before small crowds.
……..English trainer Jamie Poulton, whose Land ‘N Stars finished fifth, said if Flemington knew little of Japanese horses, it did now. "Fair play to them," he said. "Jesus, they were good."<br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.theage.com.au/news/horse-rac … 85644.html
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We all learned a big lesson today," Poulton said. "We were stabled (at Sandown) with them (the Japanese) and a few of their training methods had a few of us raise our eyebrows, but hey, it worked."
When asked what methods had caught his eye, he replied: "Last week, when we came here (Flemington) for a gallop and the Japanese rider was belting the s**t
out of the horse (Delta Blues) in his gallop just a week before the race. That was certainly one of them. You need ’em tough and they’re tough all right."<br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<http://www.theage.com.au/news/horse-rac … tml?page=2
<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>SIX-TIME British champion jockey Kieren Fallon believes Yeats was the wrong horse for the Melbourne Cup after having his first ride in the race yesterday.
Fallon said the six-year-old’s natural tardiness from barriers and the tempo of the Cup made it tough for him and contributed to him finishing seventh.
"It was a great experience and I know what type of horse would suit this race now," Fallon said. "You need a classy mile-and-half horse."<br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.theage.com.au/news/horse-rac … 85687.html
<br>best regards
wit<br>
Really enjoyed the whole experience of watching the Cup in a small town here in Queensland: everyone on the beer from about 11.30 till well into the night. Shouted on Pop Rock in a crowd of hundreds in the pub, and second was ok but so near to the Jackpot!<br>I thought the Japanese jockey rode a perfect race and outrode D Oliver in the finish: repeated views of the home straight show Oliver’s horse lugged in on the winner 3 times- in my view if he had changed his whip when coming upsides he’d have won.<br>Yeats had few excuses, but to me it shows that the ideal way to tackle this race is to ship in well before and take in one of the traditional preps, as the 2 Japs did.<br>I still reckon Yeats had had enough at the Curragh on Leger day.<br>Taqweet cant have been helped by all the messing around poulticing his foot and looked a little tetchy, kicking out at the handlers trying to load him. Off to Melbourne on Friday, hoping to go to Emirates day at Flemington on Saturday.
Yeats was gifted a Coronation Cup with the softest lead you are likely to see in a Group 1 race. Fallon’s good frind Jimmy Fortune gave Alkaased a terrible ride that day, so bad that Cumani never used him on the horse again. Interestingly Yeats was ridden on his next start in France by none other than Jimmy Fortune in a race that was won by…. Alkaased.
both this year’s Cumani Cup entrants are staying in Aus, to be trained by Lee Freedman:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st … 22,00.html
their owner is looking to other targets:
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Australian owner Paul Makin, who made his pile betting on Japanese and Hong Kong racing, watched his imported stayer, Glistening, finish 10th.
"They will bring another 10 Japanese horses out here next year, and they’ll be grade-one or grade-two horses," Makin warned.
Makin believes "the handicapping in the Melbourne Cup is an absolute joke", and pointed out the European champion Yeats, which finished seventh, was in light with 59kg.
"They are compressing the weights," he said. "I don’t care what they do with any other race but the reality is the Melbourne Cup, being the sort of race it is, should be a genuine handicap. I think I’ll go and look at winning another race."<br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.smh.com.au/news/horseracing/ … tml?page=2
<br>Bart Cummings has been quoted as being concerned that the Cup will be overrun by "Poms", and wants it turned into an invitation-only event.
..and apparently they’ve now found an abscess on Tawqeet’s problem foot to explain his poor run:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st … 22,00.html
<br>best regards
wit
Excellent work on this thread Wit. I’ve been able to keep up with the race better than ever, and haven’t had to get off my arse to do my own research. Much appreciated, and I’m sure others will agree.
Bart Cummings has been quoted as being concerned that the Cup will be overrun by "Poms", and wants it turned into an invitation-only event.
That’s a p**s
-poor attitude if you ask me. Maybe we should make the Golden Jubilee Stakes invitation only too?Cumming’s original words in The Australian seem to have gone into archive on that site but Tony O’Hehir has them in the RP:
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"There were seven imported horses in this field and it just keeps getting bigger," Cummings told The Australian.
"It’s just going to get worse for the local horses. The Poms will send ’em down in packs because their prize-money is so lousy.
This race is going to be worth A$10million (£4m/€6) in a couple of years – just watch – but we have to look after our own a bit more."
The Japan Cup invites a number of international runners each year and Cummings, 78, believes that the Victoria Racing Committee should follow suit.
"We’ve got to do what they do in Japan with the Japan Cup and make it by invitation only. Invite a horse from the UK, one from Ireland and another from somewhere in Europe – France, Germany, wherever – one from the US and another from Oceania."
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http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/master … _id=862401
For Cummings’ purposes anyone coming down after Aussie prize-money seems to be a Pom – he’s also not keen on "imports" like Tawqeet.
best regards
wit
Bart was as good a trainer as ever looked through a bridle.He’s been flying on autopilot for the last 15 years, when he was seduced by money at yearling sales.His real heyday was the era when his brother Pat ran his Semaphore stable and fed him an incessant stream of top class young horses.That which he has forgotten, would be adequate for the majority of trainers to survive comfortably.<br> Cummings apparent xenophbia conceals the dire programming shortfall which Australia racing contains.There are no 10f+ maiden to intermediate level races programmed and as a consequence to compete at a major metropolitan track such as Flemington in a winners of six lifetime race at 10+ furlongs, you are likely to have broken your maiden at 6/7f in a speed oriented country. <br> To qualify prizemoneywise, a horse must do so the previous summer or have performed in the classics against likewise immature 3yo’s.This form becomes ancient history by the time of the cup and totally irrelevant.Alternatively during the early spring in the run up to the cup, horses have four possible routes.Firstly the wfa from 6f-10fs strategy,secondly the country cup handicapper path,thirdly via sydney’s metropolitan h’dcap(longer and more arduos way) or from NZ where early spring prep events can be prone to very heavy tracks.People express surprise that so many locals race on derby day, but as is evident ,it is one of the few options available to the locals.If blame is to be opportioned I’d be willing to split it evenly between incompotent administration on the programming front, and the commercialisation of the TAB which looks at the bottom line an delivers 6f dross ad naseum.I personally overlook all racing under 1mile as non racing,perhaps conceding that 7f events have some purpose as prep runs.<br> Finally Fallon.I could forsee him making a fist of training because he’s engaged in his job wholeheartedly.Have you seen another rider be at such pains to soothe a fractious horse on the way down as often as he?Those that criticise his ride on Yeats could easily compliment his raelisation that you had to be forward on the day.The fact that he rode counter style i.e forcing the issue rather than to type, tucking in and then following current through the field (which he is exemplary at) allows more scope for criticism.The fact that he rides relatively long means that he has more purchase with his calves in a driving finish and he he can use bodliy vigour to lift a horse in that situation.On the downside you cannot hold a horse with balance alone(a la dettori) without your knees conjoined over the pommel of the saddle.The alternative is upper body strength which is fatigueing for both horse and rider.A street smart pro like Fallon knows that a horse ridden with his technique settles best when confronted by another competitor directly in front of him providing a visual obstacle.Consciously or not, KF wants NOTHING to do with having to make the running(not that its ever permitted at Ballydoyle)Two things made me grin during Greg Mliles’ very accurate cup call,"Yeat’s has missed the break by 11/2 lengths" and "fallon is poring the pressure on with a 1000 left to run".Place layed at 2.6 it was good business and hammerblow for all the parochial hyperbole.Yeats stayed on very strongly and deserved the chunk of change he picked up.If they’re serious about the horses best interests, take him to Japan where the tempo is always good,the tracks invariably firm, and the prizemoney and sale possabilities likewise enticing.That said he is not High Chaparall ,but then again hes the best horse APO has trained.The final verdict on KF,who has many strengths is journeyman in comparison to Dettori,whose ride on Ouija Board was flawless.<br> regards bzm.
Great post
The final verdict on KF,who has many strengths is journeyman in comparison to Dettori,whose ride on Ouija Board was flawless.
The clock in the head is i think the biggest asset a jockey has . Both wins in yThe Breeders cup demonstrated Dettori’s skill here at its very best and whilst there is no one more thrilling than Fallon in certain circumstances i will always take the skilled judgement of the whole race rather than the spectacular finish.
As flawless ad Frankie’s ride was on Ouja Board, again she is championed for beating horses who probably wouldn’t be considered group class over here. She is IMO one of the most over-hyped horse in my time of following racing. And people say Best Mate was over hyped!!!
JohnJ.
Maybe a bit harsh. If you consider Mandesha’s run in the Prix de L’Opera oitstanding, which it was, and then consider the proximity of Satwa Queen, who was beaten further by OB.. ;)
How can you say that John? She’s beaten pretty much every filly put in front of her across the world. She hasn’t always put the colts in their place but she’s never been disgraced.. I think she has really cemented her reputation this season, if she had been retired at the end of last year and received the same adulation then I might have agreed to an extent but this year I think she’s proved beyond doubt that between 10-12f she’s one of (Pride and Mandesha are the other two), if not the best filly in the world and certainly one of the best across both sexes.
I just think she gets too much kudos Aragon. I believe that Islington and Russian Rhythm were vastly superior fillies who did not get the plaudits that Ouja Boad has received. I do think she is a gutsy mare and done herself proud, but there is way too much hype surrounding her.
Salseon, treating collateral form like that can be dangerous, especially from a punting perspective.
JohnJ.
(Edited by johnjdonoghue at 12:50 pm on Nov. 9, 2006)
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