Let’s breed Frankel with Black Caviar!!

[Triptych]

reetlass..Prince Harry might have an Avatar he might let you borrow, was it you in the background of that piccy in the Sun the other day? Thought I recognised the slippers Don’t go changing we like you just the way you are.

@ HGM that is kind of spookie getting Frankel out of Arkle, two of the most loved horses, at least Frankel will get to have a ‘love life’

Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...

[AIC]

Don’t be ridiculous…every Aussie horse that wins has improved big time once they step foot on our soil and the ones that get beat are simply running to their Aussie form.

No one is saying she’d beat Black Blah De Blah and the reason I’d like to see them meet again is to prove beyond a doubt to UK ignoramuses like me that Black Blah De Blah is blah blah blah ……. You should be thankful when Black Doo De Dah ran below her boodebop over here because blah de blah .. de blah blah blah ……..

Oh yeah I know where you’re coming from now dude! UK form is the best of all time and Frankel is the ****. I get it!!!

[Presto]

Don’t be ridiculous…..she lost 15 times in 17 races and was disqualified in one of those of course she has improved and big time at that.

She was beaten an average of 2 to 3 lengths is her races and that’s massive distance to bridge in sprints. She didn’t really come of age until she was six when she won her first Group 1 after 7 failed atempts which is not unusual with mares and hasn’t looked back since.

To say she hasn’t improved is complete and utter nonsense…

You should be thankful when Black Caviar ran below her best over here Deacon Blues was sidelined or her unbeaten record would have been lost. He made Moonlight Cloud look like a selling plater at Ascot he last time we saw him.

We know how good the UK sprinters are relative to the Australasian.
2010 July Cup: 7 year old Australian Alverta (her only Group wins were a G2 and weak G1 both also when 7yo) a length 3rd to Starspangledbanner.
2011 Kings Stand: Australian Star Witness (5 lengths behind Black Caviar) 1/2 length 2nd, Hong Kong’s Sweet Sanette (never won a Group race) only beaten 1/2 length more in 3rd.
2011 Golden Jubilee: Star Witness lost by 2 lengths, struggling late on with the testing track.
2012 Kings Stand: Little Bridge (HK) comfortably beat Sole Power & Bated Breath.
2012 Dubai Al Quoz Sprint: Joy & Fun (HK) 3rd to Sole Power and winner Ortensia after missing break

In Dubai Sole Power ran 2nd, Joy & Fun unlucky 3rd (might have won had he not missed the break). Little Bridge has roughly similar HK form to Joy & Fun. Little Bridge comfortably saw off Bated Breath and Sole Power in the Kings Stand (Ortensia and Joy & Fun didn’t fire). So Ortensia’s Dubai win was similar in class to the Kings Stand through not only Sole Power but also the HK horses. And she ran to or above the level of horses like Bated Breath and Sole Power.

Ortensia was 2 lengths 4th in the 2009 HK Sprint behind JJ The Jet Plane and Rocket Man, that is again around Joy & Fun’s level. Ortensia is also roughly similar class to the likes of Star Witness and Alverta; horses who sneak a G1 or two down under, but a few lengths shy of a typical Aussie champ and 5 or more behind Black Caviar. Star Witness and Alverta went close in three separate British G1 sprints. The form absolutely lines up.

Did Ortensia inexplicably improve AFTER Dubai and her failed Ascot run? Sole Power and Bated Breath almost definitely ran below form in the Nunthorpe due to the ground. But Ortensia won the Nunthorpe in virtually the same manner she did in Dubai, and the level of form of the Nunthorpe seems similar to the Kings Stand (and thus Dubai) if not slightly worse… it’s not difficult to think that Bated Breath or Sole Power would’ve run 2nd if they had their ground. You’re taking a massive leap of faith and have a lot of explaining to do if you claim Ortensia improved a lot… or at all.

[Presto]

Also, roughly half of the horses who travel long distances don’t run to their best, even Europeans: think Dylan Thomas (HK), Rip Van Winkle (USA), Paco Boy (HK), Danedream (Japan Cup), Cirrus Des Aigles (HK and Japan), Sarafina (USA). It’s not inconceivable at all that Aussie raiders run below form in England; we saw it this year with Ortensia and HK’s Joy & Fun at Ascot.

Moonlight Cloud didn’t get a proper crack at Deacon Blues, I suggest you watch that race again; she probably would’ve still lost but she would have gotten much closer. But given the general level of form of European sprinters I wouldn’t bet Deacon Blues matching Black Caviar’s best. Beating Wizz Kid by 2 lengths isn’t much like beating Ortensia by 6.

If you’re confused by Ortensia and Alverta’s form, down under they tend to run horses undercooked or when not in form more than they do up here which accounts for some poor runs. But the fact is both weren’t stars down there and that is the main reason they didn’t win much down there. But their level of form is still enough to hold them in good stead in European sprints.

[reetlass]

reetlass..Prince Harry might have an Avatar he might let you borrow, was it you in the background of that piccy in the Sun the other day? Thought I recognised the slippers Don’t go changing we like you just the way you are.

Damn, I’ll have to be more careful next time!

[stevecaution]

With Rolf Harris now in his 80’s, there’s a chance he could have amnesia and mistake an equine phallus for a didgeridoo.

Or, for Jake the Peg’s "Extra Leg"

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

[AIC]

She didn’t really come of age until she was six when she won her first Group 1 after 7 failed atempts which is not unusual with mares and hasn’t looked back since.

Ortensia was a gun 3yo filly but had a few setbacks that held her back. She won the prelude to our thousand guineas beating some of the best fillies around at the time. Later in the season she won the QTC cup and ran 3rd in the Stradbroke. Returned in the spring to run very good races behind Apache Cat and All Silent, both world class sprinters in their prime.

Just give up Hurdygurdyman you have got no idea.

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