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Rather annoyingly, as well as Stoute seemingly not being in great form, neither is Gosden. 0 wins from 20 in the past 14 days. 5 placed.
Fwiw IMO Workforce is sod all value given his Derby win could easily have been a fluke the way it was run. Rumours are his recent gallop work has been poor.
Harbinger has zero Group 1 form and lost his way after 3 runs last year. De ja vu?
Cape Blanco’s Irish Derby form puts him well behind Workforce.
Dar Re Mi doesn’t really have any negatives I don’t think. Not a great run last time but Conduit had a nice blow-out in the Eclipse before last year too. Lots of pace in the race will suit her and a 2 1/2f run-in will play to her strengths – all 3 of Workforce’s career runs have been on a track with a 4 1/2f straight. Boiling hot day today too, good to firm ground? Not ideal for Workforce but ideal for Dar Re Mi? Absolutely barmy prices being chucked around for Gosden’s mare IMO.
As for Youmzain, the straight just isn’t long enough for him. His record at Ascot is very poor. He needs a long straight to be at his best.
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To be honest I wouldn’t worry about his work at home because it’s whats shown on the racecourse that counts, more people lose money on horses that are working well at home who do nothing on the track than people who don’t bother going and trying to get the latest inside edge.
For Shirleyheights. What price Workforce if a jockey ala W Burke was riding him on Saturday.The jockey in question was a stable jockey of the Rogers family.Who, if memory serves me right were the owners and trainer of SantaClause.
Incidentally I saw him winning the National Stakes,I believe it was, as a two year old at the Curragh.Sinndar was the nearest thing I saw to winning like he did.- Total Posts 17716
Wouldn’t put asnyone off backing DRM or Youmzain for that matter. DRM was far from the paddock pick at Sandown and was said to look like she had just come back from a long break so perhaps she wasn’t 100%.
Youmzain is the type of horse I hate backing against as you never know when he’s likely to put his best foot forward…….wouldn’t back him with stolen money personally but wish he wasn’t in the field.
Ryan Moore doesn’t make many mistakes and I sincerely doubt he’s making one choosing Workforce over Harbinger.
It’s fine saying Harbinger’s form has been franked but those who have franked it, so to speak, ran so badly that day I can’t take any of it seriously. Barshiba hung like a gate for most of the race and ran way too freely. She was cooked as soon as they entered the straight but the rest apart from Duncan were going so badly before the home turn there was no race to speak about.
He did win it well but the fact is he only beat a listed winner in Duncan who would be hard pushed to get a job as a pacemaker in this event. He’ll find this 100 times tougher.
While Cape Blanco isn’t the fastest horse at picking up he does have enough speed to be in the right place when it matters. No doubt he’ll go early to try and take the sting out of the others tails and that’s where I see Harbinger faultering.
Some have suggested this is apoor crop of 3yo this season but I don’t think the older horses around are anything to write home about.
I can’t see past a Workforce Cape Blanco 1-2 here
Gerrrr—-in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He did win it well but the fact is he only beat a listed winner in Duncan who would be hard pushed to get a job as a pacemaker in this event.
Duncan was rated 120 by Timeform last year and was beaten 3/4 of a length in the Coronation Cup. He’s a bit of a dodgepot who is more likely to run to his best when up against better rivals as he has something to chase and won’t shirk the issue. Harbinger’s form is light year’s ahead of Cape Blanco’s.
You seem to have looked at Duncan’s form and come to the conclusion he is a listed winner and no better. You have your opinion on this race and the facts don’t matter. End of.
Now there are only 8 runners Dar Re Mi @ 12.1 loks a good EW bet to me forget last run a 4 runner race and she needed that anyway
I took the 14/1 a couple of weeks ago…Shes back out to 14/1 now the runners have been depleted. Strange…only thing I can think of is that she’d be suited by a bigger field but that doesn’t add up either.
Anyone think they know why Dar Re Mi has drifted in the Ante Post market?
Dar Re Mi’s price in the Eclipse (taking in to consideration the trip) did not suggest she "needed it". They went a really good pace. Twice Over went for home plenty early enough, and is better than distances suggest. Dar Re Mi should’ve been staying on at the finish, yet made no ground up and beaten some way out. Beaten 5 1/2 lengths by Sri Putra, she has to improve enormously on that form. Trip and needing it not enough of an excuse for me. Remember Steve Mellish saying it had to go down as a disappointing run. On playback I thought she was not moving freely. On best form 14/1 looks massive, but may be the current odds suggest connections don’t think she’ll be at her peak and are just hoping she’ll come to herself in time.
Value Is EverythingYou seem to have looked at Duncan’s form and come to the conclusion he is a listed winner and no better. You have your opinion on this race and the facts don’t matter. End of.
Would not say Fist is ignoring the facts Euro, just has a different interpretation of the form. Not an opinion I subscribe to, but just different.
Value Is EverythingI don’t think the form comes into it. This time of year a lot of punters seem obsessed with wfa and I think 3yo’s get overbet as a result.
You’re all mad.
Dar Re Mi is the best animal in the field and is a crazy price IMO. If she was priced up as the jolly, I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid. A little bit of juice would help, but I really expect her to win this.
I may be wrong come Saturday afternoon, but I won’t hear of defeat at this stage and have backed her accordingly….. E/W
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Dar Re Mi is a superb horse but she always comes up short against an inferrior colt which will happen again this Saturday.
Also it would be very wrong to take Dubai form into the turf season if thats what you’re doing.
I’m taking Arc form, Mr Wilson, but can’t have Youmzain at any price, so DRM it is, for me.
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I’m taking Arc form, Mr Wilson, but can’t have Youmzain at any price, so DRM it is, for me.
What odds did you get?, do you think the Arc form has been working out?
I just hope that Workforce wins like a really good horse. This flat season seems very tired to me, and I so want to see something really special.
Have backed DRM @ 12’s.
There’s still everything to like about last years Arc form, especially as DRM looks to have retained all her ability and still represents quality Sea The Stars form. She is better when she can get her toe in, though, which will be a bonus.
I just hope that Workforce wins like a really good horse. This flat season seems very tired to me, and I so want to see something really special.
I love Dar Re Mi, but if the selection was to get beat, then a ten length demolition job by Workforce, with DRM in second and the rest nowhere would be next best.
That’d be something to look forward to for the rest of the season.
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