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Aidan said after the Epsom race that "That was it for F&G until the Irish Champion Stakes", naturally they would like to win a Group One over a mile and two.Wouldn’t every body?There will be lots ready to take him on if they believe like our readers do here.Also it would lead up to the Arc. So there is no sense in changing ones plans just because Stoutie may win it(ie King George) again.
As things stand today I don’t think I’ll be looking past Harbinger….assuming Profound Beauty isn’t in the field, that is!
Just for curiosity why does Ballydoyle try so hard to win the Derby if a mile and two is the big prise for stud purposes?Why were people so worried about Cape Blanco not getting the Derby trip if that distance is not good for stud purposes?Seems to me that Ballydoyle cannot win this arguement with the forum people no matter which race they go for.
I get the Feeling Jan Vermeer will run here after he wins the Irish Derby i would think.
Cape Blanco could also do that but is a less "sexy" Horse and may run in the Eclipse over the less stamina sapping 1m2f.
The rest of AOB Horses wouldn’t beat Harbinger nevermind Workforce.
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Stallion fees MR.W, they want a top flat sire, that.s why I’d say they’d love a G.1 win over 10f. They don’t want to advertise how much stamina the horse has by winning the Irish Leger as there would then probably be more interest as NH sire than flat one.
What about Yeats mate?
Yeats will probably sire some high class jumps horses, maybe even some flat ones, but there are plenty of people who wouldn’t mind having there NH mare in foal to him.
Can you imagine how backward Yeats first 2yr olds will be
He ran once as a 2yr old and twice as a 3yr old(due to injury) his sire he for Horses that mature with age.
He is a ideal jumps bred Horse for me…Coolmore also have Septimus who could be a exceptional dual purpose sire.
The new big Stallion on the Block for Coolmore is Holy Roman Emperor. Predict big things and is already running away with first season sire list.
Ardross never got the mares his record desereved which may well happen with Yeats too.
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Wallace regardless of size there is no substitute for class and that’s what he is going to bring at stud, it would be foolish to label him a jumps sire so soon.
He could of easily won the Derby and gone to stud at 3 but stayed on in training and became the best stayer in modern history – how many derby winners who were retired at 3 may of improved into top class stayers in time, The Derby is a burden like that and we’ll never know.
True Mr Wilson but his Pedigree is such i take a firm view he be a dual purpose sire.
He could be a freakish good sire…and have good 2yr olds and mature with age but that a huge "if"
Don’t think i would regard him as a Jumps sire for me more of sire of flat stayers per say and eventually NH Hurdler’s or bumpers that are poor on the flat.
Staying races are great imo and we need more competitive fields. The Gold Cups have been the highlight of Royal Ascot for many of year in terms of fan support
His fee is €10,000, the upper end of the NH market. Compare this to Mastercraftsman, who also went to stud this year, whos fee is €20,000.
If I owned Solerina I’d send her to Yeats, the foal would be a likely Gold Cup horse
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Been offline for a few days andmissed Harbiger’s win. Just watched the replay and that was impressive.
Wouldn’t like to say how he compares to Workforce but I’m sure SMS will know.
It would be a very confident move by SMS if he talked the owners out of running Harbinger and if he does the 3 year old will be something to get really stuck into.
If MB is really aiming Sariska at the Arc I have doubts about her turning up and surely she wouldn’t get the ground to suit.
Dar Re Mi is a very good horse but I can’t see her winning a King George.
Taking advantage of the 3 year old allowance with Workforce and running Harbinger elsewhere is probably the most sensible thing to do and SMS can be very persuasive………The current 6/5 about Workforce could be a steal as he’ll be long odds on if Harbinger and Sariska don’t turn up.
Fame and Glory crap, rubbish! Jesus, I am not a huge fan, he may not be a 10f horse, but he is certainly none of the above.
JohnJ
Far be it from me to encourage anyone to bet Ante post….I like to be sure of a run for my money…but the odds are just out for The King George and considering there is no more than a fag paper between Harbinger and PROFOUND BEAUTY on a line through Age Of Aquarius, the respective odds of 3-1 and 16-1 are, quite frankly, ludicrous. Having just re-run both races I’d say the mare beat AOA easier than Harbinger did and Dermot Weld’s horses peak much later in life than most other trainers. She’ll improve a lot for that run.
Profound Beauty has more of a Cup horse profile doesn’t she? Curragh Cup, Melbourne Cup that sort of race?
No Group 1 1m4f form in the book, yet at least. I read they’d left her in Saturday’s Pretty Polly as well as the Curragh Cup – which might have looked like a sighter for a speed trial and a crack at 1m4f prize – but having just checked the entries now she only holds the 1m6f option.
In a King George with an end to end gallop – maybe? Can’t see it myself though. The main target will be the Melbourne Cup won’t it?
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