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Sorry CS, not trying to rub salt into your fading memory
, but Willie Burke rode Santa Claus that day, not Lester.Yes Lester Piggott was 3rd on Royal Avenue for Noel Murless
I’ve been racking my brains to recall KGs of the past, I feel I’ve been mixing up Petite Etoile and Santa Claus, both beaten favourites, both under dubious circumstances, sorry if I’ve misled anyone and thanks to those who pointed out that my powers of recall have diminished slightly in the last 50 years
However others seen to have forgotten something far more recent…… doesn’t anyone recall a filly named DARYAKANA?
It appears not judging by how hard it is to find her name mentioned in this thread as the potential winner on Saturday, ignore her runs on a left handed track at your peril, even though they are both decent efforts and instead take note of the RP comment after her final run of 2009………
"If there was betting already for the event, one would imagine that she would head the market for the Arc, which looks her obvious target next season if staying in training."
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He did win it well but the fact is he only beat a listed winner in Duncan who would be hard pushed to get a job as a pacemaker in this event.
Duncan was rated 120 by Timeform last year and was beaten 3/4 of a length in the Coronation Cup. He’s a bit of a dodgepot who is more likely to run to his best when up against better rivals as he has something to chase and won’t shirk the issue. Harbinger’s form is light year’s ahead of Cape Blanco’s.
You seem to have looked at Duncan’s form and come to the conclusion he is a listed winner and no better. You have your opinion on this race and the facts don’t matter. End of.
What facts…….do you mean Duncan was flat to the boards couldn’t get to Barshiba and finished only 1 length in front of Starfala who went on to get stuffed by 20 lengths in a listed race
What facts…….do you mean Duncan was flat to the boards couldn’t get to Barshiba and finished only 1 length in front of Starfala who went on to get stuffed by 20 lengths in a listed race
My position on Duncan is that he reminds me of Norse Dancer. The sort of animal who will only show his best form in chasing superior animals. The race you mentioned was clearly not his running as he showed in his re-match with Barshiba.
As you can see below I am in a fantastic position on this race having got the equivalent of 7s on Harbinger (backed at 100/30 before the double) and I have wayed in with a meaty bet on Workforce today. I don’t see how I can lose on this race to be honest.
BET CONFIRMATION – CB12369880II – INTERNET
Selections Time of bet: 10/07/2010 12:36:30
Event Date Event Selections Odds E/W Terms Result
1 10/07/2010 3.05 York
(Win and Each Way)
Live Stream Wigmore Hall 5/1 4 Places
1/4 Odds Won
Best Odds applied, price updated to SP.
2 24/07/2010 King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes
(Win And Each Way) Harbinger 5/2 3 Places
1/4 Odds To Run
Multiples
Bet Type No of Bets Unit Stake Stake To Win Returns
Doubles 1 15.00 15.00 300.00The betting in the Eclipse patently suggested Dar Re Mi needed the run. She was a solid 9/4 most of the week and on the morning and drifted throughout the day and continued to do so.
I think Harbinger and Workforce are different class to the rest and I’ll be disappointed if there is daylight between those 2 and the third. Don;t have a strong view as which one will win but would rather back Harbinger at the odds.
Cape Blanco looked a potential 130 horse at York but hasn’t gone on from that. He’ll need to improve on his Irish Derby run and think he is a poor value price at half of what Youmzain and Dar Re Mi are.
At First Sight doesn’t run, quote Aiden O’Brien front page RP, some firms still offering 1-2-3 ew
Get your ew on early before the 3rd place goes, I’ve gone in again on DaryakanaLast 6 favourites won
8 of the last 10 favourites won
other 2 weren’t boilovers either
Workforce runs anywhere near to his ability he’ll win.
Equally, he’ll need to headbutt the stalls or chase a rabbit mid-race or something to not take this down.gl all
"Big Buck’s" wrote: Last 6 favourites won
8 of the last 10 favourites won
other 2 weren’t boilovers either
Workforce runs anywhere near to his ability he’ll win.
Equally, he’ll need to headbutt the stalls or chase a rabbit mid-race or something to not take this down.gl all
Although I’ve backed Workforce, that last 6 favs stat doesn’t appeal to me! About time one of em got beaten don’t you think
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Some heavy rain down south this morning. Will Harbinger run on soft ground? Hmmmmmmm.
Some heavy rain down south this morning. Will Harbinger run on soft ground? Hmmmmmmm.
Harbinger has less to prove on the ground than Workforce. He acts on heavy ground, see his St Simon Stakes run last autumn, it’s just that a testing mile and a half stretched his stamina that day. Workforce has run 3 times, on every occasion it has been good to firm.
Workforce
Total matched on this event: £20,489
Betting summary – Volume: £18,231Harbinger
Total matched on this event: £20,489
Betting summary – Volume: £38can’t think why
Dar Re Mi at 16/1 e/w for me. Workforce could be something special but I have a feeling the Derby run was just a bit too good to be true. Very difficult horse to price up but in the event that he does flop Dar Re Mi on book form hasn’t much to fear from the rest. Harbinger to me looks at most a 124-125 animal, Cape Blanco looked very resolute at the Curragh but he doesn’t look totally at home on faster ground and is maybe just a little short of top notch anyway. Youmzain never seems at his best at Ascot. Daryakana outside of the enigmatic Spanish Moon hasn’t ever beaten much, in any event she seems better suited to burst of speed tracks like Longchamp and Sha Tin. Confront’s price looks about right.
The betting in the Eclipse patently suggested Dar Re Mi needed the run. She was a solid 9/4 most of the week and on the morning and drifted throughout the day and continued to do so.
I think Harbinger and Workforce are different class to the rest and I’ll be disappointed if there is daylight between those 2 and the third. Don;t have a strong view as which one will win but would rather back Harbinger at the odds.
Cape Blanco looked a potential 130 horse at York but hasn’t gone on from that. He’ll need to improve on his Irish Derby run and think he is a poor value price at half of what Youmzain and Dar Re Mi are.
9/4 most of the week.
Was that all she was during the run up / morning? Amazed.But remember, in the morning Twice Over was available at 9/4. Came right in to 13/8, a 7.3% shift. Therefore something had to move in the other direction. I believe her drift was just the market finding her rightful place. Nothing to do with market saying she wasn’t fit (imo). 9/4 would’ve been far too short, would you have backed her at that price David?
She opened 100/30 on course and went off 7/2, only moving a fraction of a point. Suggesting on course punters thought she looked ready. Not the "drifted throughout the day" as you put it, morning may be.Agree with everything else. Harbinger should be closer to Workforce. Though don’t make either value unless Stoutey starts firing in the winners. Cape Blanco is also too short compared to the rest.
Value Is EverythingFallon says he spoke to Moore while pulling up Harbinger and told him he had the King George winner under him, to which Moore replied ‘the winner’s back in his stable at Freemason Lodge’.
I saw that to in the weekender.
Zarkava.How do you rate the chance of Daryakana i think this track and trip will suit her.A strong pace as well and can see her being there 1F out with a chance.
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Confront is obviously the pacemaker for workforce so i’ve had a quid each way at 200/1. I’ve also had a tenner on Youmzain each way at 12/1. Assuming workforce doesn’t respond as he did in the derby i know youmzain will be thereabouts.
, but Willie Burke rode Santa Claus that day, not Lester.
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