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Just wondering what you all think about Fallon riding these days. He seems to come in for a lot of criticism and I think a lot of it is fair.
His ride today on My Manikato was very very poor, he gets beat a short head whilst riding hands and heels in the final 75 yards, not very pleasing Id imagine to see that if you had backed or indeed if your the owner.
The horse is a tricky customer but he really should of won.
I think when people talk about the Fallon factor they are basing it on his ability from years ago and not what he does on the race course these days
He doesnt seem to be getting the support of Channon anymore, maybe Channon is right to look elsewhere?
Saw a bit of Yarmouth.
Looked pretty poor. Stoute doesn’t want him so that tells you all you need to know
Yeah I saw that ride, wasn’t very good.
On the other hand, he was brilliant on
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Yeah but Stoute can have anyone he wants in fairness….
Fallon at present is a long way off the top crop, in reality hes probably just an average jockey these days although with respect to him todays efforts were way below average. He wasnt strong enough to ride a finish, was very poor indeed.
Years ago Fallon in the saddle was a huge possitive in your selection, nowdays I think its more of a negative and I wouldnt blame punters for marking him as one to avoid. If you cant ride a finish perhaps its time to retire..
He was good on Cesare but there does seem to be a lot more bad rides than good…
Very good ride on Cesare – see the thread on market moves for todays ride.
The drift from 6/5 out to 2/1 on Betfair told you all you needed to know about the horses chance.
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Yes but a drift has no impact on how a horse is ridden surely?
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Very good ride on Cesare – see the thread on market moves for todays ride.
The drift from 6/5 out to 2/1 on Betfair told you all you needed to know about the horses chance.
The drift was major yes but the horse was beaten a short head when ridden hands and heels in a finish, surely that suggesst that the horse was good enough and should of won, and as such blame should lay with jockey?
That’s my point entirely Joncol – the horse was being ridden from 4f out yet Fallon used the whip 2 or 3 times at most. IMO he did everything possible not to win – the minute he used the stick inside the final furlong My Manikato took off, he put the stick down and started flailing it down the horses shoulder instead.
I commented on this a few weeks ago, gave some very questionable rides on some Cumani horses a week on Saturday, not looking like the same Fallon we all know and love.
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Whatever the case maybe punters are right to put Fallon in the "one to avoid" category….
Ive never been a fan of Fallon, just never liked him, but I do recognise his riding was much much better years ago..
Its just bad these days.
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That’s my point entirely Joncol – the horse was being ridden from 4f out yet Fallon used the whip 2 or 3 times at most. IMO he did everything possible not to win – the minute he used the stick inside the final furlong My Manikato took off, he put the stick down and started flailing it down the horses shoulder instead.
If your right then would Racing For Change not be better investigating Fallon rather than making sure his and other jockeys names are spelt in full on the race card???
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If your right then would Racing For Change not be better investigating Fallon rather than making sure his and other jockeys names are spelt in full on the race card???
In that case they might also like to investigate your mis-spelling of the jockey’s name in the title of this thread! (It’s
Kieren
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Seriously, having watched the replay has made me quite grumpy — though not with Fallon, who did his best on a nightmare ride which hung right under pressure, downed tools when the persuader was applied, and only condescended to run on far too late in the day behind two tiring horses.
Without Fallon’s pushing and shoving from about five furlongs out, the wretched animal would have finished out the back; and if I were the owner I’d have been paying the jockey extra for his dedicated persistence in not giving up entirely.
No. I’m grumpy with TRF Couch Jockeys who are predictably queuing up to kick a man when he’s (comparatively) down. Jockeys may be in fashion or out, and Fallon may be starting to lose his magic, as Time makes inevitable inroads into his strength and quickness. But to criticise a Monday ride which got an unwilling partner as close as he did today, seems to me (begging your pardon) a mite churlish.
I repeat: did you not see what happened when he
did
apply the whip, about 3 furlongs out?
Yes but a drift has no impact on how a horse is ridden surely?
True, but I don’t see what was wrong with the ride in the first place. It’s the easiest thing in the world to blame a jockey when a horse gets beat.
The horse was a rogue, just didn’t want to know, it was green as grass still and running all over the place behind the leaders. Fallon did well to get it on an even keel and get it running straight; and once it did it picked up hand over fist. The horse clearly wants cover, and probably further.
Generally I agree with you regarding Fallon, but I don’t think this ride in particular was poor. It’s all about opinions of course.
That’s my point entirely Joncol – the horse was being ridden from 4f out yet Fallon used the whip 2 or 3 times at most. IMO he did everything possible not to win – the minute he used the stick inside the final furlong My Manikato took off, he put the stick down and started flailing it down the horses shoulder instead.
Martin,
Are you really saying Fallon was deliberately not trying to win? If so be careful, suggest you put a "seemed" or "appeared" in there somewhere.
Also, if he was doing as you say, why was he in your words "being ridden 4 out"? Surely if Fallon was trying to lose, he would let it get further behind, why did he not wait until 3 or even 2 1/2 out before being "ridden" if he was indeed, trying to lose?
This was probably just a poorly judged ride or making the best of a difficult ride.
Fallon is probably not as consistent as he was a few years ago, but he’s still amongst the best, and it’s still too early to say he won’t be back to his best soon.
Channon changes jockeys very regularly, nothing can be judged on that. Stoute was probably annoyed at Fallon’s website telling everyone about his horses when riding out. Therefore does not give Fallon rides, nothing to do with the jockey’s ability.
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If your right then would Racing For Change not be better investigating Fallon rather than making sure his and other jockeys names are spelt in full on the race card???
In that case they might also like to investigate your mis-spelling of the jockey’s name in the title of this thread! (It’s
Kieren
.)
Seriously, having watched the replay has made me quite grumpy — though not with Fallon, who did his best on a nightmare ride which hung right under pressure, downed tools when the persuader was applied, and only condescended to run on far too late in the day behind two tiring horses.
Without Fallon’s pushing and shoving from about five furlongs out, the wretched animal would have finished out the back; and if I were the owner I’d have been paying the jockey extra for his dedicated persistence in not giving up entirely.
No. I’m grumpy with TRF Couch Jockeys who are predictably queuing up to kick a man when he’s (comparatively) down. Jockeys may be in fashion or out, and Fallon may be starting to lose his magic, as Time makes inevitable inroads into his strength and quickness. But to criticise a Monday ride which got an unwilling partner as close as he did today, seems to me (begging your pardon) a mite churlish.
I repeat: did you not see what happened when he
did
apply the whip, about 3 furlongs out?
To be honest Pinza I would of thought "pushing and shoving" is a basica skillset that almsot every jockey has and therefore am strugling to see why you think the owner should pay extra for pushing and shuving???
Kieran rode hands and heels for the last 75 yards and the horse is beaten a short head, yet you feel he should be praised…. Well its an interesting view I’ll say that much…
Im interested why you bring up the topic of a Monday ride, surely every ride should be assesed irrespective of what day it is?
Kieran rode hands and heels for the last 75 yards and the horse is beaten a short head, yet you feel he should be praised…. Well its an interesting view I’ll say that much…
Not all horses respond better for the whip than without, as Fallon knows.
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Yes but a drift has no impact on how a horse is ridden surely?
True, but I don’t see what was wrong with the ride in the first place. It’s the easiest thing in the world to blame a jockey when a horse gets beat.
The horse was a rogue, just didn’t want to know, it was green as grass still and running all over the place behind the leaders. Fallon did well to get it on an even keel and get it running straight; and once it did it picked up hand over fist. The horse clearly wants cover, and probably further.
Generally I agree with you regarding Fallon, but I don’t think this ride in particular was poor. It’s all about opinions of course.
Fair point but when a jockey basically stops riding 75 yards out and gets beat a head it goes down as a poor effrt in my book anyway
Also if the horse wants cover why was Fallon so eager to be prominent? He never attempted to get cover… That is an afterthought though so no blame there perhaps
The most interesting point is people are saying how well Fallon did to get the horsr going as he was hard at work at the 4 pole, sorry but so was Callan but the difference is Callan was strong in the finish…
My whole point is Fallon is not as good as he used to be and now very average, I think the fact he was unable to ride a finish proves that…
In fairness some horses dont respond well to the whip but Fallon was weak and outridden
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