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- January 8, 2017 at 17:42 #1280870
Thanks TWM, knew something was up.
January 11, 2017 at 10:36 #1281397Is politilogue being aimed at this?
January 11, 2017 at 11:09 #1281411I believe (and hope) so. Nicholls said 3m wouldn’t come til next year. I find 2m extremely doubtful myself, but a couple of people think he’ll go over that trip.
January 11, 2017 at 13:09 #1281434Looking at the comments he’s made it seems possible they could swerve Cheltenham altogether, but he said something similar about wrapping up Clan Des Obeax in cotton wool last year and that horse ran in the Triumph. Plus the owner will want him to run at the festival
RSA seems extremely unlikely, I guess Arkle would be possible as horse has tons of pace, but would you really run him in that when the JLT seems a much easier race?
January 18, 2017 at 12:59 #1282595No entry in the Champion Hurdle for Yorkhill, but entered in G2 Novice Chase at the weekend.
Full steam ahead!
January 22, 2017 at 14:20 #1283297Really, really poor from Yorkhill. Gangster has run no race and the second is pretty ordinary. Doubt he could have found much more than a length and even going left handed his jumping was again all over the place. He wins nothing at Cheltenham on that evidence.
January 22, 2017 at 14:23 #1283300Put some money on Buveur d’Air at 9/1. I cannot believe the bookies shortened Yorkhill after his win at Leopardstown a few minutes ago. He jumped – again – to his left at every fence and had to be shaken up to beat a modest field.
January 22, 2017 at 14:30 #1283302Really, really poor from Yorkhill. Gangster has run no race and the second is pretty ordinary. Doubt he could have found much more than a length and even going left handed his jumping was again all over the place. He wins nothing at Cheltenham on that evidence.
‘Doubt he could have found much more than a length’
Based on what? He never came off the bridle so you have no idea how much in hand Ruby had.
January 22, 2017 at 14:31 #1283304I was really really disappointed there. I’ve the nice prices on yorkhill since taking the stance this was race since the market formed. However I’m not even confident that is value after this. The jumping left didn’t overly bother me. It was hitting fences, brushing through a few awkwardly and the overall lack of fluency. Winged the 3rd last and I expected to see more of that. I really want to see him get some more experience before the festival.
The bookies are a disgrace. Cut across the board to as low as 6/5. Bookmakers cut any sort of win despite the performance.
January 22, 2017 at 14:35 #1283307Yorkhill’s left jumping is obviously concerning but Ruby barely moved on him, he won as he liked. I personally think he could have opened up if he pressed a button. The jumping is still my biggest worry, usually a sign that something isn’t quite right.
The odds are poor but in reality it looks like a weak renewal. I think the winner will be one of the top two and might continue to pile into both in cross over doubles and trebles as well as singles.
January 22, 2017 at 15:03 #1283316This Yorkhill just looks like a machine.
Can’t even say that his odds look too short for the race now as we know he gets up the Cheltenham hill while by contrast one of his biggest rivals threw in a very weak finish yesterday at Haydock.
January 22, 2017 at 15:08 #1283319Really, really poor from Yorkhill. Gangster has run no race and the second is pretty ordinary. Doubt he could have found much more than a length and even going left handed his jumping was again all over the place. He wins nothing at Cheltenham on that evidence.
‘Doubt he could have found much more than a length’
Based on what? He never came off the bridle so you have no idea how much in hand Ruby had.
The horse isn’t being trained for a handicap. How many Mullins hotpots do you see win like that? If he had enough in the tank he would have been pushed out to win eight lengths. He knew if he asked he would have looked even worse but clearly he managed to fool some people who are clinging to ante-post vouchers. The trainer has said that he isn’t concerned about the horse jumping left. I suppose you believe that too?
January 22, 2017 at 16:41 #1283337York hills jumping needs to improve. They need to get another run into before the festival for more expirence.
I’m still confident he will peak and win on the day. Ruby was really soft on him and had bucket loads in the tank. Whisper the danger
January 22, 2017 at 16:52 #1283342I like Clan des Obeaux for this at a price. He was beaten by whisper last time out, but would have been a lot closer if not making a bad mistake.
He looked a world beater the run before that, and I think the bookies overreacted to his defeat to whisper. He’s still a young horse and has improvement in him.Haymount is another I think could run a good race at a decent price.
January 22, 2017 at 16:53 #1283343I haven’t backed Yorkhill. If I had, I’d have no concerns about his jumping. Everything works as it should as he showed with those two jumps filmed from behind going away from the stands – he has a powerful leap on him and all he needs is experience. I suspect that going left late on was him actually beginning to learn that he needs to be on the correct stride. He’ll be a fine jumper after another three or four races.
I’m less convinced about his ability to conserve energy. He’s a long striding, powerful traveller and looked to me as though he takes a fair bit out of himself. I could see him getting done up the hill.
January 22, 2017 at 17:45 #1283346I haven’t backed Yorkhill. If I had, I’d have no concerns about his jumping. Everything works as it should as he showed with those two jumps filmed from behind going away from the stands – he has a powerful leap on him and all he needs is experience. I suspect that going left late on was him actually beginning to learn that he needs to be on the correct stride. He’ll be a fine jumper after another three or four races.
Even if you are correct, and I would say there is a big doubt, he hasn’t got three or four runs before Cheltenham. His jumping should have improved from his chasing debut, it didn’t and that was with the advantage of going left-handed. Why should it suddenly improve for a third or fourth run? He has twice got away with jumping left because the opposition have been vastly inferior. It won’t wash against better horses. Given his kinks he was very fortunate to get the perfect passage in the Neptune. Swap track positions and Yanworth would probably have been beaten him. I suspect this horse is always going to have his flaws and it is just a question of how long he can keep getting away with it.
January 22, 2017 at 18:08 #1283351Well I did say three or four to make him a fine jumper. He’ll be safe and more than adequate until then (better than many of his rivals) in my view.
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