October 17, 2020 at 16:29 #1506514greenasgrassParticipant
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ITV missed a trick there, I was full sure they would have arranged a horseback snog for the cameras.October 17, 2020 at 21:34 #1506556huddiepuddiesParticipant
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Please put Brough Scott back in his coffin. Every time I hear him speak I want to wipe the spittle from my glasses.October 17, 2020 at 22:45 #1506566
I had the racing on today while I was on my laptop. Usually I record and just watch the races.
The talking throughout was incessant, so many people, their payroll must cost hundreds if thousands.
I was watching the video added by apracing the other day on Dextra Dove. The only voices I heard was Peter O’Sullivan and Dick Pitman, and that’s all you needed.
Just hearing the silky tones of Peter’s voice, some pauses during the race in the early stages (Hoiles, look and learn).October 18, 2020 at 00:00 #1506580Venture to CognacModerator
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O’Sullevan was like the emperor’s new clothes, he was incredibly overrated.October 18, 2020 at 09:01 #1506593
Sorry but the name legend comes in when O’Sullivan’s name is mentioned. He was such a fit with racing.October 18, 2020 at 09:03 #1506595Cork All StarParticipant
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I would not go as far as to say he was incredibly overrated but he did outstay his welcome. He should have retired about a decade before he did.
Some of his commentaries towards the end were not up to standard and one or two were downright poor. I remember him commentating on a two mile race at Goodwood where he called the leader by the wrong name for about a mile and a half. Eventually someone must have plucked up the courage to tell him he was wrong!October 18, 2020 at 11:16 #1506611GoldenMiller34Participant
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Spot on CAS. His commentaries in the 1960s were razor sharp.October 18, 2020 at 12:02 #1506615Venture to CognacModerator
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His commentary for Red Rums third National is unlikely to be topped, best commentary ever in my opinion, it just flowed, and fitted the occasion perfectly, without a hint of the pre-written lines that the commentators have on hand for whoever’s winning The National. It was a masterclass call to the finish.
Even with that great call though, he completely missed Boom Dockers exit from the race, and in the process, managing to combine the great call at the finish, with a serious blunder during race, the type of blunder which by then had became his trademark.
He went quickly downhill from there. In truth, he was already well on the decline long before 77, but that commentary for Red Rums third National, no doubt saved him, and subjected us to another 20 years of him.
He owed Red Rum that, at the very least, have you watched back that 74 race, and listened to his commentary, absolutely awful.
It’s not recency bias either, as he was the main commentator when I was growing up, and I grew up with his error strewn commentaries. It was a constant.
He was very poor in the 80’s and 90’s. For some reason, people desperately started looking for some of his calls to be given legendary status. There seems to be an awful lot of confused people, who can’t watch an historic win, without desperately wanting the commentary on the race to be historic too.
The best example being his commentary for Dawn Runs Gold Cup. Not a terrible commentary, but nothing special either. It’s actually quite worrying that people consider this a great commentary. Still, it’s better than his effort for Aldaniti in 81, when he nearly self combusted at the prospect of Spartan Missile getting there. Despite the fact that he was the only person watching, who seemed to think Spartan Missile might get there.
Too much is made of his impartiality towards his own runners. People lazily roll out the likes of his Attivo call, but that misses the point, it’s way overplayed. This fails to take into account that his commentaries could be very partisan, and it was always very easy to spot the horse he really wanted to win.
Check out his commentary for the 79 National, it’s pretty evident that he really didn’t want Rubstic to win. As they turned for home, he was obviously just interested in Zongalero & Rough and Tumble, Rubstic was a distraction to him, and you can just hear the disappointment in his voice when it became clear that Rubstic was going to win. Amateur hour. Could give you loads more examples.
Another example is his commentary for the 83 National, where he seemed hellbent on breaking the world record for most mistakes during a commentary in one race.
Anyone who thinks he’s the best ever, is either looking at it through several pairs of rose tinted specs, haven’t actually listened to any of his commentaries recently, or are just stubbornly or pig headedly refusing to admit that he wasn’t that special.
As I said, it’s like The Emperors New Clothes with him.October 18, 2020 at 12:13 #1506616Cork All StarParticipant
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Agree about the 1977 Grand National call. His phrase “They’re willing him home now” was brilliant and caught the moment perfectly.
One example of his bias was in the 1991 Gold Cup. He clearly wanted The Fellow to win, partly because he had backed the horse at big odds and partly because he was best friends with the horse’s owner.
It is very interesting to read his obituary in The Guardian, written by Julian Wilson and published posthumously. Wilson was clearly bitter with O’Sullevan and makes no attempt to conceal it.October 18, 2020 at 15:15 #1506632wordfromthewiseParticipant
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Back to the subject of the thread:
Was I alone in suffering an all time low by Chapman when he began his post race interview with Champion mile winning jockey P-C Boudot with an incredibly childish,offensive and dare I suggest racist comedy mock French accent ……absolute disgrace.
It was mortifying and there have been traces of that kind of attitude to the French on SSR from Chapman previously which indicate a readiness to mock non English people in the disgusting way a very small minority of English people do…..but I’m sure we know the type.
For that alone Chapman should be sacked…..If he isnt an ignorant bigot he is certainly guilty of behaving like one.October 18, 2020 at 15:58 #1506639greenasgrassParticipant
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Do you think the French pundits could follow suit?
English jockey wins on Arc day “Alright me old china, lovely jubbly!”
Irish jockey wins, “Bejasus and begorrah, sure wasn’t that a fine win so it was”.October 18, 2020 at 16:58 #1506644GladiateurParticipant
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Chapman is relatively well-behaved on ATR (or Sky Sports Racing, as it is known these days), and it appears that the powers that be at ITV actively encourage him to be controversial and loud… but why? It’s completely unnecessary.October 18, 2020 at 17:11 #1506646TriptychParticipant
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I don’t like the way Chapman rolls his tongue around certain unusual horses’ names and spits it out…when he got to RAAEQ on the card yesterday he sounded like he was going to be sick. I agree about the French accent thing too it sounded so childish and PCB was very gracious in response.
Also why pay to have McCoy on every Champions Day he’s a jumps jockey and had nothing interesting to add to the day.Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...October 18, 2020 at 23:11 #1506668
Why have so many on there in the first place!
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