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You can get even money Sea The Stars thats a fantastic price.
Can’t see why anyone would remotely fancy Casual Conquest he won’t win if he stars now.
Away from Sea The Stars I would love too see old Lord Admiral for Mrs O’Brian win it in her late husbands colours, I doubt their would be a dry eye in the house.
Hope they all go.
Can’t see MCM being suited by Leopardstown whereas the front two will be fine on the course.
I am a big fan of STS but his brilliance this year should not detract from FaG who has only had one disappointment(?) when a close second at Epsom in a race that arguably didn’t show him at his best. G1 winner at two and unbeaten bar his defeat to STS, with plenty of course form.
Sea The Stars has had a three year old career that you get to witness once every 20 years but even those colts (Nijinsky & Nashwan) couldn’t go to the end of the season without reverses.
York looked like a hard race to my eye and he is out again pretty soon, Fame And Glory for me ..maybe by 2 lengths+.
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3 superstars in one race should certainly tell us something?
I hope Sea The Stars wins, but remain convinced he didn’t have much in hand of Mastercraftsman lto, and with FAG needing a decent pace MC is much less likely to be the target he became at York, so I’d a anticipate a very close race between them.Having slagged off Ballydoyle’s possible motives with MCM, I take everything back. Bar the Guineas, Derby, Arc and Breeders’ Cup, in recent years they’ve done their damndest to keep their stablestars apart in order to bolster their stud fees in different ways, but to have both Fame And Glory and Mastercraftsman against Sea The Stars is different class. You can argue all you want that there’s nothing for them to lose, but they could have easily sent Mastercraftsman to France for the Moulin and Fame And Glory to the Niel.
I applaud their willingness to give the public a truly phenomenal showdown and also the several comments in recent weeks about the well-being of Rip Van Winkle.
Yes Zarkava it’s great that they are so open with the public, and John Oxx deserves to be mentioned aswell . He has regularly updated the public about Sea The Stars, and has been clear for a long time that he will only run if the ground is suitable. And still some people slag off both outfits, it’s unbelievable. Two great trainers, and please God we’ll have an exillerating showdown tomorrow.
A horse who was rushed to last year’s Derby and finished ahead of all except the winner and TB must surely have a chance to get into the first three tomorrow.Otherwise he would have been sent to France.At 16 to 1 must be worth a place bet on the tote even if all the favs. run to their best over a distance that probably suits him better than 2 of the favs.(ie Aidans). Smullen could steal this race from the front while the others are watching each other.
Casual Conquest is a Group 3 horse. Everything he’s ever beaten has been no better than Group 3 level. Famous Name, Curtain Call, Washington Irving, King of Rome, Alessandro Volta, etc. He is shite.
Bar both Guineas, both Derbies the Ark and the BC you say. There were plenty of group one races at Ascot and other meetings so there was no need to take on each other last year. Also the six bars pretty mush takes the meat out of the sandwich.
Yes, on heavy ground. She was smashed next time out and now has been retired. Unless you think she ran to form there?
As for the bars taking the meat, what a load of rubbish. There are 32 Group 1 races per season in the UK with another 20-odd in France and about 10 in Ireland.
I would rather win one of the Bar Six than all of the others combined. After all you have obviously dissed the Coronation Stakes, the Yorkshire Oaks and the Coolmore Matron Stakes all Group One races won by Lush Lashes. You are a hard one to understand Zarkava.But to the point; you said he had not beaten a Group One horse. I expected, when correcting you, something along the line of Sorry I was wrong.Did I expect too much?
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Lush Lashes may have won three Group 1s, andyod, but she certainly didn’t reproduce that sort of form in either the Tattersalls Gold Cup or the Windsor Forest.
I think you’re taking the description of ‘Group 1 filly’ far too literally (I prefer to define it as ‘of requisite ability’, rather than ‘on old form’).
I was correcting a factual error that’s all.Otherwise the whole exercise becomes meaningless. As the man said are we going to believe our eyes or what people tell us? Being factual is not quite the same as being literal.If I was being literal I would have objected to the last sentence, he is shite, as being inaccurate..
What intrigues me about the race is the horses coming back from a break against those that have been on the go all season aspect of it.
After APOB said that he wanted to try Mastercraftsman over 10f again I took a little of the 27 or so on offer, what with the possibility of Sea The Stars not running, and Fame And Glory’s main aim being the Arc. I now already regard it as a losing bet.
On the issue of the possibility of Sea The Stars starting to go over the top, it has to be remembered that Oxx said in advance that the Irish Champion is the main target, and not the International. I’d still like to see Fame And Glory do him though.
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Either Sea the Stars will win or he will finish 3rd IMO…..Fame and Glory and Mastercraftsman rfc would be a sporting bet I may consider.
All things being equal I just can’t see where Fame and Glory is going to find the tirn of foot he sadly lacked in the Derby. It was afterall a 1m to 1m2f race at the pace they went.
I think AOB is doing the right thing running both as eventyally the Sea the Stars bubble will burst if he keeps racing and there can’t be many chances left with stud beckoning.
There is a runmor going about that Fame and Glory is not 100% but AOB has denied that……but he denied the same rumours about RVW and Mastercraftsman before the Guineas……the combination of these thing pits me off having a serious bet but if I was to have one it would be on Sea the Stars.
Really hard race at York and we’ve seen it so many times when a horse seems to be fine but once on the track they perform like dead squibs.
Hope not as it would spoil a terrific race
I’d still like to see Fame And Glory do him though.
Erm, I’ve just remembered that I’ve backed Cape Cross to be leading sire in Britain & Ireland. This represents the last chance for a big payday, or else Danehill Dancer will surely reel him in in the next couple of months. Even if he does win today, I think Cape Cross is still up against it.
Looks like I’m supporting Sea The Stars after all.
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