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May I suggest a solution.
Keep your posts brief.
Thanks for your advice and thanks to other posters.
Sadly, when you get entangled with Gingertipster, brevity is not your friend.
Parbold faced a far from finished article in Toormore.
Thunder Strike was third in a poor looking Richmond behind a Charlie Hills maiden winner who was second.
Roger and out!!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Sadly, when you get entangled with Gingertipster, brevity is not your friend.
It’s not my fault you can not work your computer Steve.
Value Is EverythingSadly, when you get entangled with Gingertipster, brevity is not your friend.
It’s not my fault you can not work your computer Steve.
Don’t worry about that Ginger, focus more on your ante-post bet on War Command. Admit it now, you are sweating like Gary Glitter on a School bus!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Bloody hell Steve, I’ve just spat my coffee all over the sodding lap top……
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
Sadly, when you get entangled with Gingertipster, brevity is not your friend.
Brevity? Ginger is to Brevity what I am to going on and on and on and on!
I find the best way to diffuse a situation with the Ginger one,who incidentally is worse than a Woman for having the last word is to simply let him think he is right…….Works everytime for me Steve!! Sadly, when you get entangled with Gingertipster, brevity is not your friend.
It’s not my fault you can not work your computer Steve.
Don’t worry about that Ginger, focus more on your ante-post bet on War Command. Admit it now, you are sweating like Gary Glitter on a School bus!
You are the 2nd funniest on here Steve for sure!! Ginge is to Ante-Post betting what I am to writing threads that Lose!
Sadly, when you get entangled with Gingertipster, brevity is not your friend.
It’s not my fault you can not work your computer Steve.
Don’t worry about that Ginger, focus more on your ante-post bet on War Command. Admit it now, you are sweating like Gary Glitter on a School bus!
I don’t "sweat" about any bet Steve, if it wins it wins, if it doesn’t it doesn’t. There’s nothing I can do to influence the outcome…
But if you want to write off O’Brien Coventry winners who’ve been beaten at odds-on in the Phoenix… I suggest you remember Henry and the way he navigated his way up the Rowley Mile.
Value Is EverythingI definitely think War Command was flattered by the Coventry result. I’d like to say differently, but I simply cannot!
Sniper, who finished 5th of 5 in the Phoenix Stakes ran at Dundalk today. He had finished behind Sudirman twice, beaten a little over six lengths each time. Timeform rated him a 4 star chance, declaring that he had not gone on from races 1 to 2 but that he had shown "much improved form" when 5th in the Phoenix Stakes. You would think that this opinion, from such a clearly highly regarded outfit, would mean he should go very close at the least in maiden company today as 9/4 2nd favourite. However, he could only finish 8th beaten 11 1/2 lengths.
We are supposed to believe that this horse finished 6 1/2 lengths behind Sudirman, then didn’t improve next time, then he magically improves third time to finish almost exactly the same distance behind Sudirman. This is no doubt this assumption was made so that they can give credibility to their theory that Sudirman had to make good improvement to beat War Command, it just wouldn’t do that War Command might have been disappointing.
Now that 7 other horses have beaten Sniper and he is still a maiden after 4 races, where does that leave the Phoenix form? A fellow maiden has beaten him by five lengths further than Sudirman could at the Curragh in a group 1 and unfancied maidens have also finished ahead of the Gp 1 competitor.
The stopwatch boys tell us the Phoenix was a good race, so it must be disappointing that one of the protaganists looked so ordinary today.
There is talk that War Command needs further but Aiden O’Brien said before the Phoenix Stakes:-
“We’ve very happy with War Command since the Coventry and the plan is to run him next in the Phoenix,” said O’Brien of a colt who is already clear 5 to 1 favourite for next year’s 2,000 Guineas. “He has a lot of speed as he showed in the Coventry.”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
If War Command wins the Guineas I will donate £100 to Gingers running charity or charity of his choice.
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
Sniper, who finished 5th of 5 in the Phoenix Stakes ran at Dundalk today. He had finished behind Sudirman twice, beaten a little over six lengths each time.
Timeform rated him a 4 star chance
, declaring that he had
not gone on from races 1 to 2
but that he had shown
"much improved form"
when 5th in the Phoenix Stakes. You would think that this opinion, from such a clearly highly regarded outfit, would mean he should go very close at the least in maiden company today as 9/4 2nd favourite. However, he could only finish 8th beaten 11 1/2 lengths.
We are supposed to believe that this horse finished 6 1/2 lengths behind Sudirman, then didn’t improve next time, then he magically improves third time to finish almost exactly the same distance behind Sudirman. This is no doubt this assumption was made so that they can give credibility to their theory that
Sudirman had to make good improvement to beat War Command, it just wouldn’t do that War Command might have been disappointing.
Now that 7 other horses have beaten Sniper and he is still a maiden after 4 races, where does that leave the Phoenix form? A fellow maiden has beaten him by five lengths further than Sudirman could at the Curragh in a group 1 and unfancied maidens have also finished ahead of the Gp 1 competitor.
The stopwatch boys tell us the Phoenix was a good race, so it must be disappointing that one of the protaganists looked so ordinary today.
There is talk that War Command needs further but Aiden O’Brien said before the Phoenix Stakes:-
“We’ve very happy with War Command since the Coventry and the plan is to run him next in the Phoenix,” said O’Brien of a colt who is already clear 5 to 1 favourite for next year’s 2,000 Guineas. “He has a lot of speed as he showed in the Coventry.”
What do you mean Steve by "Timeform rated him a 4 star chance"? Where was this and 4 stars out of how many? Was there a 5 star chance in the race?
In the Phoenix Stakes (6f good-firm) Sniper was blinkered for the first time, after a very poor 5th of 7 at Galway over 7 furlongs on good-soft. What Timeform actually said about Sniper after the Phoenix was "remains to be seen if able to back this up". ie The horse may well be inconsistent, the fact he was blinkered so early in his career seems to suggest temperament. You’d think having run well in them once – connections would stick them on again. But today, on yet another different surface of Polytrack – they chose cheek pieces. Presumably they think Sniper needs to be kept interested by ringing the changes. I wonder if the naming hints at a horse to be wary of. His full brother Titus Mills is another inconsistent animal who often wears headgear.
You are just making things up about Timeform Steve. Deliberately making up stuff to suit your opinion. Parr for the course on this site.
Timeform donot
think Sudirman showed (how you put it) "good improvement to beat War Command", it was just
2 lbs
improvement from the Railway Stakes. And Timeform
did
think War Command’s performance (as you put it) "disappointing", describing his effort as "tame". But they also say it is too early to be writing him off, with the Phoenix performance rating 4 lbs short of the Coventry.
If you think just because two horses are the same distance apart in a maiden and 6 weeks later a Group 2 that they’ve run to the same marks – you’ve got a lot to learn about handicapping Steve.
Fact is the Coventry form suggests War Command would’ve been an impressive winner of the July Stakes, Goodwood’s Champagne and Richmond.
Aiden O’Brien says the same thing about every horse he’s trained "He has a lot of speed" (well, it is unusual for him not to put a "listen" in front of this sound bite).
Looking forward to seeing just how good Sudirman and War Command really are in the coming weeks and months.
Value Is EverythingIf War Command wins the Guineas I will donate £100 to Gingers running charity or charity of his choice.
Very generous of you Nathan, I’ll match your £100 if it wins.
Value Is EverythingWhat do you mean Steve by "Timeform rated him a 4 star chance"? Where was this and 4 stars out of how many? Was there a 5 star chance in the race?
In the Phoenix Stakes (6f good-firm) Sniper was blinkered for the first time, after a very poor 5th of 7 at Galway over 7 furlongs on good-soft. What Timeform actually said about Sniper after the Phoenix was "remains to be seen if able to back this up". ie The horse may well be inconsistent, the fact he was blinkered so early in his career seems to suggest temperament. You’d think having run well in them once – connections would stick them on again. But today, on yet another different surface of Polytrack – they chose cheek pieces. Presumably they think Sniper needs to be kept interested by ringing the changes. I wonder if the naming hints at a horse to be wary of. His full brother Titus Mills is another inconsistent animal who often wears headgear.
You are just making things up about Timeform Steve. Deliberately making up stuff to suit your opinion. Parr for the course on this site.
Timeform donot
think Sudirman showed (how you put it) "good improvement to beat War Command", it was just
2 lbs
improvement from the Railway Stakes. And Timeform
did
think War Command’s performance (as you put it) "disappointing", describing his effort as "tame". But they also say it is too early to be writing him off, with the Phoenix performance rating 4 lbs short of the Coventry.
If you think just because two horses are the same distance apart in a maiden and 6 weeks later a Group 2 that they’ve run to the same marks – you’ve got a lot to learn about handicapping Steve.
Fact is the Coventry form suggests War Command would’ve been an impressive winner of the July Stakes, Goodwood’s Champagne and Richmond.
Aiden O’Brien says the same thing about every horse he’s trained "He has a lot of speed" (well, it is unusual for him not to put a "listen" in front of this sound bite).
Looking forward to seeing just how good Sudirman and War Command really are in the coming weeks and months.
Ginger, just who do the hell do you think you are. Don’t try to tell me what I know or don’t know about horse racing.
You are paying Timeform for ratings so don’t start about who knows what.
I use my own eyes and instincts and during this flat season I have advised Just The Judge at 20/1 for the 1000 Guineas, Ruler Of The World at 25/1 for the Derby, Secret Gesture at 25/1 for the Oaks, Galileo Rock each way for the Derby at 66/1, Trading Leather at 16/1 for The Irish Derby and I have put up Excess Knowledge at 33/1 for the St Leger. These were all put up on my own judgement, often well before they were mentioned or even considered by the racing press in general. Don’t have the neck to run my abilities down just because I disagree with your opinion on a horse.
Don’t accuse me of being selective with the form assessment or of misquoting Timeform. The Timeform preview of the Dundalk maiden race had Sniper rated 4 stars and stated that he had shown much improved form. Those are
facts
and you are out of order accusing me of manufacturing them.
You might be making money out of horse racing but when it comes to reasoned debate on a forum you are pretty talentless, eschewing true logic and respect, choosing boorish demeaning of other peoples skills as your tools instead.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Sniper is a red herring in the debate/argument regarding War Command. Classic example of a horse running above its grade and then getting hammered by the handicapper. Yesterday, he totally missed the break and from that moment on wasn’t interested. Ger Lyons described him as getting disappointing after his second defeat, and probably had expected him to to a high 90’s horse.
Timeform do
not
think Sudirman showed (how you put it) "good improvement to beat War Command", it was just
2 lbs
improvement from the Railway Stakes.
They uprated the Railway ratings after the Phoenix was run.
Sniper is a red herring in the debate/argument regarding War Command. Classic example of a horse running above its grade and then getting hammered by the handicapper. Yesterday, he totally missed the break and from that moment on wasn’t interested. Ger Lyons described him as getting disappointing after his second defeat, and probably had expected him to to a high 90’s horse.
He couldn’t have been "hammered by the handicapper" yesterday. The race was a maiden not a handicap. His official rating going into yesterday was 99, so Ger Lyons does have a high 90’s horse if you want to believe the ratings.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
What do you mean Steve by "Timeform rated him a 4 star chance"? Where was this and 4 stars out of how many? Was there a 5 star chance in the race?
In the Phoenix Stakes (6f good-firm) Sniper was blinkered for the first time, after a very poor 5th of 7 at Galway over 7 furlongs on good-soft. What Timeform actually said about Sniper after the Phoenix was "remains to be seen if able to back this up". ie The horse may well be inconsistent, the fact he was blinkered so early in his career seems to suggest temperament. You’d think having run well in them once – connections would stick them on again. But today, on yet another different surface of Polytrack – they chose cheek pieces. Presumably they think Sniper needs to be kept interested by ringing the changes. I wonder if the naming hints at a horse to be wary of. His full brother Titus Mills is another inconsistent animal who often wears headgear.
You are just making things up about Timeform Steve. Deliberately making up stuff to suit your opinion. Parr for the course on this site.
Timeform donot
think Sudirman showed (how you put it) "good improvement to beat War Command", it was just
2 lbs
improvement from the Railway Stakes. And Timeform
did
think War Command’s performance (as you put it) "disappointing", describing his effort as "tame". But they also say it is too early to be writing him off, with the Phoenix performance rating 4 lbs short of the Coventry.
If you think just because two horses are the same distance apart in a maiden and 6 weeks later a Group 2 that they’ve run to the same marks – you’ve got a lot to learn about handicapping Steve.
Fact is the Coventry form suggests War Command would’ve been an impressive winner of the July Stakes, Goodwood’s Champagne and Richmond.
Aiden O’Brien says the same thing about every horse he’s trained "He has a lot of speed" (well, it is unusual for him not to put a "listen" in front of this sound bite).
Looking forward to seeing just how good Sudirman and War Command really are in the coming weeks and months.
Ginger, just who do the hell do you think you are. Don’t try to tell me what I know or don’t know about horse racing.
You are paying Timeform for ratings so don’t start about who knows what.
I use my own eyes and instincts and during this flat season I have advised Just The Judge at 20/1 for the 1000 Guineas, Ruler Of The World at 25/1 for the Derby, Secret Gesture at 25/1 for the Oaks, Galileo Rock each way for the Derby at 66/1, Trading Leather at 16/1 for The Irish Derby and I have put up Excess Knowledge at 33/1 for the St Leger. These were all put up on my own judgement, often well before they were mentioned or even considered by the racing press in general. Don’t have the neck to run my abilities down just because I disagree with your opinion on a horse.ONLY
, it seems to me you have a bit to learn Steve. Strange you can make any comment you wish about Timeform or my analysis, yet have a hissy fit when I make a comment about yours.
Don’t accuse me of being selective with the form assessment or of misquoting Timeform. The Timeform preview of the Dundalk maiden race had Sniper rated 4 stars and stated that he had shown much improved form. Those are
facts
and you are out of order accusing me of manufacturing them.
not
accuse you of making it up! Every race has a horse rated with 4 stars in a Timeform Preview, it means nothing about the quality of horse (as you seemed to be inferring) and there must have been a 5 star selection rated ahead of Sniper. So 4 stars did not even make Sniper the Timeform selection. Do you expect Timeform to get the 1-2-3 right in every race?
You said Timeform rated Sudirman as showing "
good
improvement to beat War Command",
you made it up
, it was just 2 lbs. You knew no such thing. You said Timeform were
not
disappointed with War Command,
they were
. Those were the manufactured parts of your anti-Timeform post.
You might be making money out of horse racing but when it comes to reasoned debate on a forum you are pretty talentless, eschewing true logic and respect, choosing boorish demeaning of other peoples skills as your tools instead.
As I said Steve, on the whole I think your racing knowledge is very good, usually enjoy a debate with you because you know so much. (Sorry you don’t feel the same). But when it comes to 2 year old maiden form – I think you’ve something to learn. It’s only my opinion mate and such a small area of horse racing, not worth you getting so worked up about. However, please Steve, when talking about others – please get your facts right in future.Mark
Value Is Everything
I find the best way to diffuse a situation with the Ginger one,who incidentally is worse than a Woman for having the last word is to simply let him think he is right…….Works everytime for me Steve!! 
Timeform do
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