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He got a bit unlucky
When frodon was going backwards indo got stuck behind him and lost track position
Still a very long way off his gold cup run but a bit better
I thought it was encouraging from Minella Indo today. I backed him after the King George when he drifted out to 10/1 and I am happy with that bet. I am convinced he is much better around Cheltenham.
He’s definitely been better at Cheltenham no question about that Cork. Thing is so has Galvin ;o)
I’ve been looking for one more bet here, and I’ve taken 66/1 ew non runner no bet on Franco De Port
Autumnal they,ll need to be a foinavon like disaster for Franco do do anything in a GC , surely he,ll go to the Ryanair
Pick 3 on Saturday champion 2025/2026
Lot of chatter going on about this being an “open gold cup”
Personally it seems fairly certain the winner comes from Indo, Galvin or APT.
Is it open or is it just media types trying to talk it up.
Its open because nothings ran above 170 this season, you have 5-8 horses at the top of the market who have all ran in the mid 160s, thats what makes it open…
Why would indo run to form now?
Why would APT reverse with galvin?
If ABP runs to 173+ like we know hes capable he will win
If conflated finds another 3lbs of improvement he will be bang there
If galvin finds another few lbs he will likely win
Nothing has cemented their place this season, we have a false fav currently…
Tbf to indo hes improved a stone at Cheltenham 3 festivals in a row
I’m not sure there’s any value in the market atm though given they all have questions to answer
I imagine galvin will be popular on the preview circuit because hes the solid option due to the worries about the de bromhead stable form
I can still see him finding one too good though
Imo he didnt improve anywhere near that last year, the rsa 2nd yes, but it was only his 3rd chase start, so he was entitled to, he upheld that form into open company, but last years gold cup form is sketchy at best for me, not in this lifetime did anything run mid 170s in that for me and i feel thats been shown to be true thus far this season, so expecting him to run “175” seems highly unlikely to me, id say he ran to 167-168 last year, the fact it was the g/c is why the rating was given,
It was not a good race last year and for whatever reason, may be the first two, that ABP ran way below form
This year, 169 will probably be enough.
In regards to galvin finding one too good, thats actually how i feel about APT, i think galvin will be too powerful a stayer for him and if not galvin, i feel something else will
I can see absolutely no logical reason to say ABP ran “way below form” last year.
If last years Gold Cup was a poor race then the two that ABP won, the first when he beat Anibale Fly/Bristol De Mai by a couple of lengths and the second where he scrambled home against Santini/Lostintranslation must have been absolutely abysmal!
The front three last year finished miles clear of the rest of the field, most of which were solid 160+ horses at the time.
I agree Moyenne. And ABP is 10 now so I expect him to be the same at best, or further behind. Horses aren’t machines and it was a great achievement going back to back in Gold Cups so credit where its due.
Agreed moyenne
ABP ran just as well as when winning two very average renewals just came up against two younger more progressive rivals
Tom Segal and Paul Kealy wetting themselves over Protektorat for this on the In The Know podcast. Don’t see it myself. Around a 158-160 horse to me, happy to be proven wrong. That race he won last time was terrible. Native River has retired since, the 3rd Sam Brown the only other finisher hadn’t run in 7 months and him and the non-finishers would be no hopers in a Gold Cup.
Prove that to be the case FF? How did he run just as well? What are you basing that off? If he had ran to his supposed mark of 175 he would have won… you have this seasons formline as proof, neither indo (who may be better in the spring) or APT have ran anywhere near 170+ In 5 runs between them… indo had 4 runs in the low to mid 160s then magically found another 11lbs to win the gc, its unlikely at best for that to be the case, the difference between 164 & 175 is massive. 175 is verging on elite. it was a bad and overrated race.
And im not commenting on the races ABP won prior and there quality, theres no getting away that you can look back now and say they were not vintage, but the race this year on current form looks to be even worse, theres not a single proper 170 horse in there,the only one that could be is galvin, possibly conflated but hed have to do that again before you could say 170 is possible,
That said, back to the point, is why its wide open
And yes mike, i doubt it will be this year protektorat wins the GC, young yes, but 7 starts and only on his latest did he break 160 against rivals who clearly, did not run there ratings. Wouldnt be touching him at single digits, 25/1+ possibly lol
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