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    buckers
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    It’s still one of my favourite races this, so it’s the perfect time for my first ante-post of the season.

    I’m also betting Japan at 6-1, I think they should run him here + I’m very hopeful that they do.

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    Mike987654
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    I have had two bets on enable at 7/4 and 11/8, I didn’t back her at Sandown my only danger is Japan.

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    Frenchy15
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    Is there a reason why Stall 1 hasn’t won the King George for ages or just an anomaly? Wondering if positionally it’s harder from stall 1 being on the inside to get where you’d want to be?

    I’m not sure I can see it, but wondered if anyone had a view on it?

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    Mike007
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    A hold up horse in stall 1 would need some luck for a gap to appear. Less of an issue in a King George compared to handicaps I would think as the field tends to be quite small.

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    Frenchy, i’ve really just noticed this, would you make Japan 5/2 vs Enable?

    What price would you think Magical would go off?

    Purely just interested as i’m looking at the antepost market right now. Japan looking to take the easier race in Ireland?

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    #1494505
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    The Tattersalls Gold Cup you mean? Did you read that somewhere? AOB said 2 weeks ago, the plan all along was to step up Japan to 12F after running him twice over 10F.

    The comment I made about odds was based on that and assuming Magical went elsewhere to the Nassau or to the Gold Cup.

    Waiting for the decs now!

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    Yeah the Gold Cup. I guess nobody knows yet which will go to where! I haven’t read anything yet, but judging by the odds, you’d imagine Japan would be a tad shorter maybe? I personally think Magical is better than Japan, but she’s 3/1 and he’s 6/1. Are they just assuming like i did that Japan will go for the easier G1 and they’ll let the mare travel with less to risk?

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    Decs

    AVD
    Enable
    Fanny Logan
    Japan
    Magic Wand
    Magical
    Sir Dragonet
    Sovereign

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    That’s a G1 in the UK with 2 trainers with entries. Crazy how poor flat racing is at the moment in terms of ownership and trainers. I supoose the virus hasn’t helped with the congested fixture list to a degree, but still poor to see.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    I suppose with the lower prize money due to the virus owners would rather send their horses to weaker races than take on enable, Japan, magical etc

    #1494516
    Frenchy15
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    Blimey that’s a bit underwhelming! I would imagine AOB will take some out as well before Thursday as he usually does.

    I agree with your comment about Japan’s price Jack. He held his price at 6 for the last 10 days, which I didn’t think he would actually, so will maybe just wait and see how the market settles down over the next 48 hours.

    One thing with that family is obviously fitness. I saw him up close in the Derby and at Ascot for the King Edward last year and the difference was incredible.

    That was race 2 to 3 and now again he’s going from race 2 to 3 of the season.

    I think the market will likely tell us what shape he’s in before maybe even Thursday’s decs

    #1494518
    Mike987654
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    Hills goes 5/6 Enable, 11/4 Magical, 9/2 Japan, 14/1 bar.

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    Powers makes it Magical 3s, Japan 4s.

    This race will be so interesting regardless of the poor turnout. I’ve heard it mentioned that in general you expect a horse to improve from 3 to 4 and from 4 to 5, but from 5 to 6 it’s possible they will decline.

    Will “the lads” give Magical one last go at toppling Enable?

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    #1494520
    Frenchy15
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    Japan is still 6s on Bet365, I’d like to hear a word about likely runners from AOB first. AVD is also not to be underestimated. Not convinced Ascot’s tighter finish is ideal, but the ground is currently GF and he will love that. It’s not been GF either time he’s raced there.

    #1494522
    Mike987654
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    bet365 and unibet offered evens on Enable but that was soon cut to 8/11 by both of them.

    #1494524
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    Believe me, you would not of held out much hope for him after his first two runs as a 2YO either.

    #1494570
    mickeyjp
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    The emergence of love has complicated things for coolmore. With her now headed for the arc it’s more likely magical with go for the champion stakes, breeders cup and possibly Hong Kong. My guess will be Japan, avd and sovereign. The jockeys know they can’t allow sovereign an easy lead. If it stays gf then I’d have avd to go close. A race to watch but if they do run magical I can see her outsprintint enable as she looked superb on her return. As others have said a terribly disappointing field. I suspect love might have run if the oaks was run at its usual time.

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