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I wanted to know how similar mares had done with other sires. How half brothers and sisters compare? How did those you mention as cheap losers do when sent to other high class sires? I read someplace that the statistics on getting group one winners were more significant for the breed than any other factors.Is that true? That I took to mean good mares are sent to sires who get group one winners.I also read that you have to toss very many coins before the 50% average works.So maybe the other sires are not getting enough mares to work out the correct (statistics)relative value of each sire.One sire, one mare, one winning get,one hundred percent success.
I know, I just wanted to highlight how many more runners Galileo usually has.
Kentucky Warbler has no previous foals. Alba Stella has 2 previous foals by Pivotal and Kingmambo and they are/were both rubbish.
Ok this could take a very long time. There are roughly 15 maidens that were bred to Galileo and have Derby entries. I really cannot be bothered to go through them all because it’ll achieve nothing. I’ll still have the same opinion that Galileo can sire great horses but doesn’t do it on a regular basis, which the Weatherby’s book will back-up and I reiterate that of Galileo’s progeny, just 5% become Stakes performers. And you’ll still have the same opinion that he is a great sire no matter how much rubbish he churns out.
Andyod – New Approach and Teofilo were less pacey and more middle distance. Frankel is a freak Galileo colt able to win over a mile because of his dam.
Zark – agreed Galileo is overrated. He does not seem to be able to upgrade poorer quality mares unlike Danehill
I think the competition from rising stars like Shamardal and Dubawi can only be good for the industry in attempting to limit the negative effect of excessive Northern Dancer line breeding.
I am very excited about Wonder of Wonders and hope she can win the oaks, i believe she is Kingmambo ex All too Beautiful (Sadlers Wells ex Urban Sea). Most beautiful pedigree at Ballydoyle this season. I know you mentioned an affection for this stallion, did you like Henrythenavigator?
Sorry AdmiraloftheFleet but the facts won’t support you.Ballydoyle threw everything(Holy Roman Emperor) at Teofilo and could not conquor him as a two year old.Same goes for New Approach also unbeaten as a two year old and lost the Guineas by a nose. Not a head, not a neck, a nose was the official verdict I believe to HenrytheNavigator. That makes New Approach a top class miler.I agree that he was not a five furlong horse but who needed it with a Derby on the plate?Now we have another unbeaten two year old who has actually changed that nose loss to a six length victory in the Guineas. So the three best two year olds of their generation in six years!(what does less pacey mean about the fastest of their generation,both unbeaten at twos,something like six races each?) What is not to like about the sire of these three champions. What more could he do?No matter who the dam is all three dams were certainly upgraded by those three horses.But that is just my opinion.As for the fillies we have the winner of the French Guineas already in the barn.Another miler so to speak.
As he has covered so many more mares than the other sires of his generation he actually has a very poor ratio of champions to progeny. But I suppose the same argument could be made about Sadlers Wells. No doubt Galileo has produced some wonderful horses and maybe even one better than himself in Frankel
I don’t know folks we seen plenty of sires get top mares and do nothing.
While Galileo gets top mares he get tops results. Where people talk about upgrading poor mares…he can’t do everything. Remember he has only had a handful of crops. Compare that to say his sire Sadler’s Wells who took longer to dominate the scene as he did.
If you wanted anymore proof that Galileo sires speedy fillies and not colts, just cast your eye at the Phoenix entries for 2011. 3 Galileo horses entered – and 3 fillies. Not a single colt in sight. Aloof, Up and Soon. Not too sure Aloof, the Galileo-Airwave (Air Express) filly will be that good. Airwave produced Meow, a very precocious 2yo and runner-up in the Queen Mary, but she herself was the only good horse to come out of her dam Kangra Valley and Airwave’s sire wasn’t that great either. Soon would interest me the most on pedigree.
Again I can only point out that Frankel won the Guineas.New Approach was beaten a "
NOSE
" in the Guineas and that Teofilo was unbeaten in five races over seven furlongs as a two year old and was the best of his age group.If that is not getting speedy colts (in three different generations)then I am a Dutchman.I also believe that most sires like human kind are unlikely to bestow their gifts in equal measure to their offsprings.Maybe someone should do a number count on all sires!What sire has done better in the last ten years?
If Galileo could only get another Guineas winner we might be won over to his side as a sire of speedsters.Three this year so far from five and still one to go!
Galileo is such a poor sire of Milers thats hes only had
the English 2000, Irish 2000 and French 1000 Guineas
winners this season, its obvious for all to see that he cant
produce Milers !!!! …… Please give us a break
At least the argument about him producing top class milers is
now well and truly redundantFair play, Galileo has really showed what a great stallion he is this year. I am just wondering what has happened to Montjeu who seems to have been on a downward curve since his brilliant first 3 seasons.
Rock of Gibraltar has been on a hiding to nothing I am surprised his fee is still that high to be honest.
Galileo haters are seething
1-2 in the Irish 1000 Guineas horse in 5th.
4 Classic Winners out of 6
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Galileo haters are seething
1-2 in the Irish 1000 Guineas horse in 5th.
4 Classic Winners out of 6
Mate their not seething, they’re just bloody clueless!
Can’t remember who said Galileo was a poor sire but I am laughing hard right now!
Keep them comments coming, it’s worthy of the Betfair forum intelligence wise.
Ok gloaters I was one who did not think Galileo was capable of siring a Guineas winner!
Comprehensively hold my hands up and accept he is the greatest living sire!
I still prefer Danehill however on all time lists but by the close of his career Galileo may well have superseded him in my estimations!
Admiral
unlucky that Galileo has just exploded on the 1 mile division scene. Nick Mordin reckon the French 1000 Guineas winner is a freak. …..Also Galikova
is another Galileo Filly coming along nicelyAlso the winner of the English Guineas.Two freaks as of now.Some sire. Must be a freak himself.Does freak mean good?Even the non freaks like New Approach are good.
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Also the winner of the English Guineas.Two freaks as of now.Some sire. Must be a freak himself.Does freak mean good?Even the non freaks like New Approach are good.
He’s only 13 aswell Andy, fingers crossed another 10 years of senstaional thoroughbreds.
No stallion has produced a 2000 Guineas winner in that fashion before, it was almost asif Henry Cecil has said we’ll run two races – we’ll start off like Kind for 6f and finish lke Galileo for 2f of pure stamina.
Amazing amazing stallion who compliments his mares so well, the best there could potentially ever be if we see another 10 years from him.
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