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<p abp=”170″>I’ll give the trotting a miss I think
<p abp=”172″>Trotting in France is more popular than flat and nh put together – the D’Amerique generates more interest among French people than the Arc, in spite of it being run in the depths of winter.
<p abp=”173″>I’m guessing a little, but this may be because the horses stay in training for longer and race more frequently (tougher breed plus A.I.). The form is more reliable and horses get bigger followings than the thoroughbreds. D’Amerique winners like Bold Eagle, Ready Cash, Jag De Bellouet etc, are far better known than almost any Arc winner you could name.
And trotting is heavily promoted by including trotting races, certainly in provincial racecards…..and very enjoyable it is too.
Did you have any info or opinion on Supermensch Steve.?
Another one of J-C Rouget’s string. I like to keep an eye on those sired by Canford Cliffs.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
Muttrah Fort was awarded 86 by the Racing Post but it’s impossible to say really as they were all unraced coming in. This did look deeply impressive though and one for my notebook anyway. Interesting to see where he goes next.
On the clock, Muttrah Fort time was 4.13s slower than the listed race on the card over the same trip.
Chantilly 16 Mar 2017
12:47 Miracle Des Aigles 7½f 63
01:20 Muttrah Fort 6½f 21
01:55 Filante 1m1½f 63
02:25 Fas 6f 62
03:03 African Ride 6½f 67
03:45 Green Focus 7½f 52
04:15 Ecureuil 1m2½f 40
04:45 Passage Rimbaut 1m2½f 25My OR conversion for the race for Muttrah Fort was 78, compared against the listed
winner African Ride who ran to a 91.The going allowance I had on the day was +0.50s/f (fast).
I take an interest speed figure wise in the racecourses run by France Galop, and the only standard times for French racing were compiled by me.
Food for thought…
Mike.
I am not a stopwatch man Mike. I generally go by visual impression and later on the collateral form.
I was not surprised Muttrah Fort was favourite that day. He is a lovely looking colt and he looked fit for his debut, the muscle lines were well defined and he was glowing with health, an easy pick of the paddock. It’s hard to say how much he will come on for this.
I thought he set his own pace and it didn’t look strong by any means, he was well settled in front and then did his damage late on. Obviously his entries will tell us how good they feel he is but I just felt he was a talented looking horse who can leave this debut well behind in time. I think he will get a mile but it’s early days in March to be making bold predictions.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Did you have any info or opinion on Supermensch Steve.?
Another one of J-C Rouget’s string. I like to keep an eye on those sired by Canford Cliffs.I have been waiting to see with Supermensch Nathan. It was slightly off-putting for me that he floored his stablemate, who was 1/5 Fav for the race. I just wonder if the other horse ran his race or not, and whether Supermensch perhaps came on a lot more from his debut than Rouget anticipated. I’d like to watch him again before making my mind up one way or the other.
The 2nd and 3rd in Supermensch’s first race were beaten next time they ran. The third horse ran in a Handicap next time but was only 4th. The coin’s in the air for me at the moment.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Muttrah Fort was awarded 86 by the Racing Post but it’s impossible to say really as they were all unraced coming in. This did look deeply impressive though and one for my notebook anyway. Interesting to see where he goes next.
On the clock, Muttrah Fort time was 4.13s slower than the listed race on the card over the same trip.
Chantilly 16 Mar 2017
12:47 Miracle Des Aigles 7½f 63
01:20 Muttrah Fort 6½f 21
01:55 Filante 1m1½f 63
02:25 Fas 6f 62
03:03 African Ride 6½f 67
03:45 Green Focus 7½f 52
04:15 Ecureuil 1m2½f 40
04:45 Passage Rimbaut 1m2½f 25My OR conversion for the race for Muttrah Fort was 78, compared against the listed
winner African Ride who ran to a 91.The going allowance I had on the day was +0.50s/f (fast).
I take an interest speed figure wise in the racecourses run by France Galop, and the only standard times for French racing were compiled by me.
Food for thought…
Mike.
And the rest of the field consisted of 4 unraced fillies, none of whom have any entries.
Just to note that nobody is forced to back any horses I mention here.
Last season I was with La Cressonniere from her first race and the form then was nothing startling. I backed her ante-post for the French 1000 Guineas at 14/1 and then for the French Oaks. She landed both races easily. I had advised Trixia and Almanzor at 10/1 and 5/1 as singles and a double over on daily lays and plays last season and both won. Anyone following those tips made a damn good profit.
Of course there will be ones who don’t live up to expectations but I repeat, nobody is forced to follow anything. The information is there for interest purposes only.
Not every horse posted here is intended as the next Guineas, Oaks or Arc De Triomphe winner. They are just horses I feel are worth a look for the future.
If this is going to become a target for people with a grudge to have a go at me about then it’s a pretty sad state of affairs. People can make their own minds up about the horses put up here. I am not making any claims for any of them.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Hi Steve, I’ve just found this thread and will be an interested follower.
Now that Cheltenham has finished we can start to look forward to the flat again.
My racebets account is still full with the profits I accumulated following La Cressoniere last year, so will be glad to play along.
As you say no one is holding a gun to my head and no one has to follow you in. I most likely will for most selections because as well as talking the talk you’ve already proven you can walk the walk.
Thank you Brital, it’s not an easy game picking horses to follow. Sometimes they just don’t go on as you might anticipate. You only need to look at ATR’s Liz Price and her horses to follow for last season. I think she picked out six to follow, if I recall correctly, and other than Come Alive beating Midweek (Another of her six selections) nothing else won a race. It’s just tough to find the correct ones year in and year out.
Anyway, with Muttrah Fort looking a promising son of Dubawi, despite it being tough to predict if he beat anything that day. Another son of Dubawi made an excellent debut last week. This time for Andre Fabre.
Plumatic was making his start to his career over a good bit further than Muttrah Fort, tackling 10 and a half furlongs at Saint Cloud. His mother Plumania stayed a mile and a half well. Her career highlights were in beating Arc near thing Youmzain in the Group 1 Grand Prix de Saint Cloud and then finishing runner up to Henry Cecil’s Midday in the Prix Vermeille.
The video of Plumantic’s debt can be viewed here:-
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/2553/
Perhaps a tad green for a while Plumatic soon settles in behind and travels well for the rest of the race. I did see a review that stated that he recorded a facile success but looking back at it he does get shaken up to go about his business and doesn’t take control immediately. It is a sustained run that brings him to the front and it is the final furlong where he does his damage to the field. He looks a smooth mover at top speed and based on this run he looks a shoo-in to get a mile and a half.
Plumatic’s mother made good improvement at 3yo and ended up runner up in the Prix Vermeille as a 3yo, after first past the post Dar Re Mi was disqualified and placed fifth, leaving Stacelita as the winner. It is hope that Plumatic can follow his mother by progressing with his races.
Andre Fabre has said that it’s very early days to say where Plumatic goes but stressed that the horse is highly regarded.
Something to consider with these unraced 3yo’s making their debuts now is that it leaves little time for them to be ready for Guineas and mayve even Derby/Oaks races, given how early these classics are run in the season, so perhaps it is not necessarily the case that because they don’t have fancy entries it means that they are not very good.
As always, time will tell how good they ultimately are but Plumatic looks capable of leaving this effort well behind and it will be interesting to see where they aim him next time.
Any of these horses I feel are worth a bet will be highlighted with the odds over on daily lays and plays.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Is there a website that gives the dates of when the 2017 French group races are to be run ?
Is there a website that gives the dates of when the 2017 French group races are to be run ?
A rough month by month guide can be found here:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_flat_horse_races
The French Guineas are normally two weeks after the British versions, making it tight to aim horses at both. The Irish Guineas races are a week extra away, making it that bit more appropriate for horses looking to go for a second Guineas race.
Last year the French Derby was the day after the Epsom Derby but the French Oaks (Prix Diane), was a further two weeks away.
I will do my best to give plenty warning of upcoming big French races, current odds and whether I have a selection for the race, well in advance of the races.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
The first major races take place at Maisons-Laffitte tomorrow with the Prix Djebel and the Imprudence for the fillies, both Group 3 races.
More on those later.
Today sees Mrs Danvers run in the Sigy Stakes at Chantilly. This is a 6F race of Group 3 status.
I backed her at 15/8 in a double with Cloth Of Stars at 2/1.
Cloth Of Stars ran as I was writing this and came from a long way back, finishing late, too late for my liking, but ultimately winning a cosy enough neck. He’s in my horses to follow this year and I was pleased with the way he picked up from a good way back there.
Come on Mrs Danvers.
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Steve i think this year Andre Fabre has best 3yos in France i hear Rouget feels not many top 3yos this year. while Fabre has a smart bunch.AL Wukaar got form boost today while he not beat CHURCHILL at Newmarket i do think he could win french guineas.
Graphite won to today instead of highly touted stablemate though i not think these horses will not win a group one this year
You mention Plumatic early in thread i like horse a lot i agree on might be early in carear but i get the feeling this horse be main hope for French derby.Also i think Realible Man won french derby not having a 2yo start so it could happen.
Then come to WALDGEIST who is a group one winner at 2. for me this horse should be all about the irish derby i think he may not take to the course at Epsom
And leave the best to last that is AKIHIRO i think he is a really good horse you find arc thread here somewhere where i put him up at 33/1 am worry about him is he come to Epsom win derby here.Think this the horse which win back the arc for Fabre.Hope him and Cracksman not face each other at Newmarket in craven meeting.
And i not mention any of the fillies sure he got smart fillies to.
Steve i think this year Andre Fabre has best 3yos in France i hear Rouget feels not many top 3yos this year. while Fabre has a smart bunch.AL Wukaar got form boost today while he not beat CHURCHILL at Newmarket i do think he could win french guineas.
Graphite won to today instead of highly touted stablemate though i not think these horses will not win a group one this year
You mention Plumatic early in thread i like horse a lot i agree on might be early in carear but i get the feeling this horse be main hope for French derby.Also i think Realible Man won french derby not having a 2yo start so it could happen.
Then come to WALDGEIST who is a group one winner at 2. for me this horse should be all about the irish derby i think he may not take to the course at Epsom
And leave the best to last that is AKIHIRO i think he is a really good horse you find arc thread here somewhere where i put him up at 33/1 am worry about him is he come to Epsom win derby here.Think this the horse which win back the arc for Fabre.Hope him and Cracksman not face each other at Newmarket in craven meeting.
And i not mention any of the fillies sure he got smart fillies to.
I tend to agree that Fabre is the man this year Nathan. Rouget has been a bit pessimistic about his bunch this season, keeping fairly low key about their chances and the Prix Djebel seems to lie between Al Wukair and National Defense.
I felt La Cochere from the fillies was Rouget’s best prospect last season but she was not seen again. Of the colts the big So You Think son Neguev was my main hope from the Rouget stable.
Neguev beat Akihiro a short head on debut but was disqualified for cutting across Akihiro. He would have beaten Akihiro by a bit further had he kept straight. Akihiro was impressive next time, while Neguev landed a more modest race comfortably. I though both colts would turn out decent but Neguev may be a horse who needs more time.
Akihiro finishes his races off well and that will always be an asset, National Defense won easily on his debut before being third to Akihiro and then winning the Lagardere in good style. The Prix Djebel should be interesting against the colt Al Wukair. Al Wukair beat Gold Luck when last seen and Gold Luck scrambled home to win the Group 3 Vanateaux in a four way bunch finish today. It should be interesting tomorrow.
I will leave off on selecting for the Prix Djebel until I see the odds.
In the Imprudence, I am drawn to Fabre’s Double Lady. She ran a good second to the Frankel filly Toulifaut on debut before a nice win next time. Sent off a narrow favourite for the Oh So Sharp at Newmarket she was a bit disappointing in 5th place but back on home soil she may well bounce back.
I will see what odds are available before committing to any bets.
Today Mrs Danvers was very disappointing in the Group 3 Sigy Stakes. She doesn’t seem to have trained on based on that today. The winner Fas was an easy winner and looked worth following. He burst clear to take command and stayed on well to put the field to the sword. I wouldn’t be underestimating after this.
Prix Sigy replay today:-
https://www.zeturf.com/en/course/2017-04-09/R1C7-chantilly-prix-sigy
Prix D’Harcourt replay today:-
https://www.zeturf.com/en/course/2017-04-09/R1C6-chantilly-prix-d-harcourt
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As explained on the 2000 Guineas thread I opted for Al Wukair in that race and for the Djebel today.
The betting seemed to tell the story with Al Wukair coming from 3.6 into 1.7, while National Defense went from 2.9 out to 4.0
UK Firms went 6/4 Al Wukair so I had a double with him and stablemate Double Lady, who was 11/4 with the UK firms.
In the end Al Wukair was impressive. He was slowly away again and sat last, at one stage looking slighty tapped for toe. As National Defense moved across from his handy position he had first run and it looked like Al Wukair had a lot on his plate.
The jockey pulled Al Wukair right out wide to get a run and he fairly picked up, ultimately cutting them all down before also picking off National Defense. He looked to be screaming for the extra furlong today and he will improve from today to Newmarket.
He is as low as 5/1 for the 2000 Guineas. I took 16/1 yesterday as said on the Guineas thread.
Hopefully Double Lady can win now and pay for all the bets. I stuck a couple of quid on for the 1000 Guineas just in case she wins today (20/1).
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Double Lady is being backed as if defeat is not an option, she is evens now. Dream As is playing up and chucked the jockey off.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Double Lady was very disappointing, the writing was on the wall very early as she was pulling far too hard, it looked like she didn’t get home anyway. I feel she would be better tried as a sprinter. She won’t be running in any Guineas, that’s for sure.
It was Fabre’s other filly Via Ravenna who quickened up best to win quite well. She looks a nice prospect. I couldn’t have backed her today as a short neck winner on Polytrack at Chantilly last time, scrambling home for a RPR of 77. It’s a reminder that these horses can improve rapidly in the spring.
Speed As played up beforehand and was 4th here. Not doing a lot for the Frankel horse Middle East, who runs later today.(Sorry had a rush of cack to the brain there, it should have read “Middle East, who somewhat scrambled home earlier)
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