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Hae backed her at 25/1 for the Arc lets hope they go for it.However my back up ST Nicholas Abbey is not a bad horse
..it’s fun to speculate but really it’s far too early to second guess which fillies will run in the Arc as they always have the Prix de l’Opera which means we can never be sure of which race they’ll go for, even late on. Daryakana, despite seeming to be a strong stayer, might not be inconvenienced by a try at 10f, she seems to have plenty of toe.
Royer-Dupre is not averse to the Champion Stakes either, so if I was looking for a long range a.p., I don’t think I’d go with any of his fillies at this stage, or anyone else’s to be honest.
Daryakana, despite seeming to be a strong stayer, might not be inconvenienced by a try at 10f, she seems to have plenty of toe
She has been leaving it late, though. Only just got Spanish Moon in the Vase. Breathtakingly close. Unbelievable finishing kick, though.
I hear what you are saying, UMare, but I have to say I can understand Darren’s enthusiasm because I just see good reason to think that ARD is targetting her for the Arc. After she won the Vase, he made some comment about her competing in Europe’s top G1s over 12f. I think that he is someone who chooses his words carefully, so to me that really screams "I reckon she is good enough for the Arc, and I will run her there if she meets my targets through the season" (or in French, "Hohn hohn hohn hohn hohn, Le Arc!")
I have read two/three variations on the city name: "Hong Kong" in this thread.
If de Royer-Dupre is adamant on fast ground for Daryakana then he should focus her campaign towards the second half of the season and the Japan Cup/Hong Kong Vase. I don’t see her getting warm @ 10 furlong against Group 1 opposition. If they employ a pacemaker in the King George (ground permitting) she has a shot.
Based on those early Arc markets Youmzain might finally land the big prize. He’s been one gear short of the winner’s circle but none of FaG, Sariska, Cavalryman, DRM will outsprint him in the finish.
Long way to go.
MDeering, while I like Youmzain’s toughness, and appreciate that he often brings his best form to the Arc, he just can’t seem to time it right (and it is not a jockey-issue, because he has had several try). This has happened time and again in many races. Cavalryman was just behind Youmzain last October, and it seems that Cutlass Bay is even better than Cavalryman (plus the added bonus that he is still with M. Fabre, rather than having transferred to SBSuroor). I think Cutlass Bay has an excellent chance of giving Fabre his 8th Arc win.
Sorry! – It seems that Hong Kong bounces around my keyboard as much as it does in my mouth!
The idea of putting up the odds was so that there was a record of first show – that’s all!
I myself am wary of any incomplete list like this – the winner may be in there – but I tend to think it shows what they are happy to lay right now.
It’s the sleepers that they aren’t laying a penny on that interest me!
Lads only put ‘Sea The Stars’ in their betting last year a very short time before the race – whilst some of the others were laying 9/2…for a long period of time.
He went in much shorter 9/4 and was soon odds on!I can recall ‘Zarkava’ also being as big as 7/1 after the Vermeille – she was a cert to go then – for me personally I’d rather that price on a certain starter than take 25’s now when we haven’t seen half of what might be there – it’s all personal choice.
Re: Daryakana I like her too having backed her in HK – (better be safe)!
But the form lines through ‘Spanish Moon’ and ‘Dar Re Mi’ are pretty solid – then that would put ‘Buena Vista’ in with a shout.
Peslier told connections of her that she should go to the Arc after her run in the Sheema Classic.
I’d like to see a price on her – seeing as those form lines are so interlocked/strong.
‘Dary’ does have a huge advantage over her though in that she’ll be given a top notch prep – if that is the target!It’s all speculation at this stage…
only Darren has come on here and announced publicly that he has speculated to accumulate! – Fair play!P.s. How much do you think that they regret not running ‘Youmzain in the Arc as a 3yr old having run the eventual winner to half a length in the trial?
Don’t think that he was injured or anything…they just sidestepped it – if memory holds up?!
Good thread this Zenjah and glad someone agrees with me on Pouvoir Absolu – spent the whole of last Autumn backing him for the 2m-2m 4f races at Longchamp but he kept finding 2 or 3 too good for him. Glad to see him win the other day dropped back in trip and obviously a very good horse.
Had two dark horses for the season written down – Joanna and Planteur so that’s those out the window in the "dark" category
Looking forward to seeing Juddmonte’s sprinter who’s name escapes me at the moment return to the track (disappointed in the Abbaye). Also excited to see races like the Saint-Alary and the other big Group 1’s priced up by UK bookmakers as they often get it so wrong it’s unreal
How much do you think that they regret not running ‘Youmzain in the Arc as a 3yr old having run the eventual winner to half a length in the trial?
On one hand, they may regret it. I think Fabre was perceived to have the Arc locked up that year, what with Hurricane Run and Shirocco (Rail Link was only seen as his 3rd consideration, I think), so they packed off Youmzain to Cologne instead.
On the other hand, maybe it was a good thing. Youmzain won the Preis von Europa in Cologne, and that is one of his 2 G1 victories, so at least he locked that in, rather than staying at Longchamp for a prequel to his string of second-places?
Although 2nd in the Arc probably pays better than first in the PvEuropa.
Looking forward to seeing Juddmonte’s sprinter who’s name escapes me at the moment return to the track (disappointed in the Abbaye).
Thought you might be talking about Main Aim or Showcasing, but neither ran the Abbaye, only Juddmonte horse I could find in last year’s Abbaye was Stern Opinion, who I don’t recall as being that good. No?
That’s the one – prefer to be with Stern Opinion than the other two if only because I’ll likely be getting a decent price about the horse. He’s a dual 5f listed winner who was only just caught in the shadows of the post by War Artist in a Group 3 – he didn’t get the best of the draw in the Abbaye and was racing up the centre of the track all the way.
Think with another year on his back I think he can make an impact in the domestic sprints
Cheers Irish
I tried to keep that one semi dark (he could still win one) by using the English version of his name! – exposed as he is…
There’s still a few more promising ones yet to have a run…keep them peeled!Ole: I like horses for courses – just think that his best chance (Youmzain) was as a 3yr old.
MDeering: you have to question whether he can cover the distance any quicker than what he has tried to do so before.
On times he hits a barrier and there’s always one just better.
Ole good luck with your 2nd placing specific bet though!Re: Another thought on ‘Daryakana’ when French trainers are getting one ready for the Arc they usually prefer to give them a break over the summer – therefore missing our mid summer highlight the KG as they feel that it will compromise their chance come October.
That race won by ‘Red Jazz’ today (dodgy pace and all) maybe has some pointers when you look along the lines – some cross the channel!
Form can be taken from the first three home today – none no more so than that of ‘Mata Keranjang’There’s an good little race at 1.35 Longchamp tomorrow – lots of form lines there being put to the test here!
‘Ephemere’ has been described by Rouget as being capable of beautiful things…but he is meant to be a bit difficult.
He meets two supplemented from Fabre – ‘Bundestag’ & ‘Chasing Halos’
‘Pink Gin’ hacked last time in a little race by 10l!
‘Iokastos’ followed CH when both beaten Jc’s ‘War Czar’.Ole: I like horses for courses – just think that his best chance (Youmzain) was as a 3yr old.
True that, horses for courses.
You are probably right. In some ways, Youmzain would deserve his win this year, but much harder as a 7yo. "Fourth time’s the charm" doesn’t really have the same ring to it.
‘Ephemere’ has been described by Rouget as being capable of beautiful things…but he is meant to be a bit difficult.
I like Ephemere for the Escoville. Decent form, but I also just like that he is by a son of Caerleon.
Viva Nijinsky!!!
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I hear what you are saying, UMare, but I have to say I can understand Darren’s enthusiasm because I just see good reason to think that ARD is targetting her for the Arc. After she won the Vase, he made some comment about her competing in Europe’s top G1s over 12f. I think that he is someone who chooses his words carefully, so to me that really screams "I reckon she is good enough for the Arc, and I will run her there if she meets my targets through the season" (or in French, "Hohn hohn hohn hohn hohn, Le Arc!")…lol
..yeah, I’m sure you’re right, just that in recent years the l’Opera, because of it’s change in distance and upgrade, has made fillies participation in the Arc a bit more open to question, giving them a viable alternative. It’s one of my favourite races in the Calendar there though, although last year’s winner ‘Shalanaya’ disappointed later in Japan given a poor ride by Lemaire, who’s one of my favourite jockey’s normally.
Does anyone know if she’s stayed in training…?Good point on the Opera.
Shalanaya did stay in training (not the best run in Kyoto), and Delzangles is aiming her for the Ganay:
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/h-h-aga-khan-france-prix-ganay-comeback-on-cards-for-shalanaya/685227/
Looks like she will face some tough opposition there, Cutlass Bay at the least (possibly also FAG, but I am not sure he is a force to be reckoned with any more).
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